NFL Combine: Sunday Impressions
The combine continued as the scores for the quarterbacks, wide receivers, and running backs rolled in and the sizes for all players are now out.
Quarterbacks
I doubt the Patriots are interested in the quarterbacks in the draft, but Robert Griffin III posted an absurd 4.4 40 time. RGIII definitely placed himself towards the top of the draft as his athleticism definitely matched his on-field production. Even more impressive, in my mind, was the athleticism that Andrew Luck showed off. If RGIII was the most athletic quarterback, I'd say that Luck was the second best- and as a pocket thrower, that athleticism is just gravy.
Running Backs
I also doubt that the Patriots are interested in top running back prospects either, but their numbers are out as well. While Trent Richardson and Lamar Miller abstained from full participation, here are some of the big winners according to my projections:
Name: Projected Score
2nd Half First Round
David Wilson: 8.0
1st Half Second Round
*LaMichael James: 7.5
Robert Turbin: 7.5
2nd Half Second Round
**Doug Martin: 6.75
Bernard Pierce: 6.5
Third Round
*Isaiah Pead: 6.25
***Chris Rainey: 6.25
Cyrus Gray: 6.25
Chris Polk: 6.0
Mention: Terrance Ganaway scored a 5.75 (early 4th round)
* - Each star represents exceptional shiftiness of the player.
So there's that to look at. If any of these players fall to the 4th round, I wouldn't be upset if the Patriots kicked the tires. Keep in mind that as the official numbers come out, these grades will change.
Wide ReceiversNotre Dame's Michael Floyd showed off why he deserves to be a first round pick. He was smooth and he showed off his elite athleticism. Add in the on-field success and he's a great football player.
Georgia Tech's Stephen Hill was impressive in shorts. He's an elite vertical receiver and teams will not be able to single-cover him when he takes off down the field. He has great hands and is a huge specimen. However, he's a one-trick pony and needs to work on literally every other aspect of his route-running. He's not a sideline threat and he's better off in a less-timing based offense than the Patriots have.
A group of receivers, California's Marvin Jones (6'1.5, 200, 4.47 40, 4.11 shuttle, 6.81 3 cone, 33" vertical, 9'4 broad), Toldeo's Eric Page (5'8.5, 185, 4.53, 3.98, 6.95, 30", 9'4), Iowa's Marvin McNutt (6'2.5, 215, 4.42, 4.07, 7.15, 37", 10'2), and Stanford's Chris Owusu (6'0, 195, 4.31, 4.11, 6.85, 40.5" 10'9) all stood out as solid prospects. Great hands with great route running mean great fits for the Patriots offense.
Quickness: Page, McNutt, Owusu, Jones
Speed: Owusu, McNutt, Jones
Size: McNutt, Jones
Explosion: Owusu, McNutt
Personally, I feel like Owusu and Jones would combine into the perfect prospect and I wouldn't be against the Patriots spending draft picks on both of them. Still- McNutt is a great prospect and Page is as intelligent as they get. Owusu has an injury history of concussions which is a negative mark, while the other three are solid 3rd round prospects.
One final prospect I'd like to point out is Virginia Tech's Danny Coale. Coale is a 7th round/UDFA prospect who really showed up to play at the combine. Standing at 5'11.5, 200 lbs, Coale is a big enough player to make a deep sideline impact. He runs a 4.4 40 with a 6.69 3 cone (the best 3 cone out of receivers at the combine). He may not be as explosive as other receivers (9'7 broad, 35" vertical), but he runs crisp routes and showed off exceptional hands. He's definitely worth another look.
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I don't understand, why don't the fans or writers of the blog think we deserve an elite WR... lol
every time we talk about drafting a WR, you guys skip: Kendall Wright, Floyd, Alshon… I think we should got for it and get a big name WR
Wright looked overweight, according to some.
Alshon has questions about his abilities to separate. I like Floyd, but his off-field issues make him a first round ?.
by Richard Hill on Feb 27, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
none are a fit
Criner and McNutt are the 2 best fits in the offense IMO
U of A is better than ASU at everything, and it doesn't take a genius to prove it
by freeland1787 on Feb 27, 2012 2:34 AM EST up reply actions
true
Butttt if it comes down to being forced to take either hike or sanu I’m taking Floyd every time. But yeah much rather use first on Cox n Jenkins. Love Jones BTW, n coaxingles was very impressive indeed. I think his hands measured unusually small, however they looked good in drills.
by AMORALES on Feb 27, 2012 7:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
They might, or they might draft one and get one in FA.
I’d like them to bring in 2 draftees and 2 FA to camp, personally. Get some competition and see who sticks.
Unfortunately, that means fewer reps for everybody, and less chance for Brady to develop chemistry with them. We may end up with same old, same old because that’s who he is used to.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
As the Greek philosopher Mediocrites once said, "Eh, it's good enough."
by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 28, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Some, perhaps.
He’s expecting one thing, they do something different. He tends to stick with the guys that do what he expects.
A guy like Favre might wing it and adjust to whatever the receiver did. He also set the record for the most picks ever.
There’s trade-offs.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
As the Greek philosopher Mediocrites once said, "Eh, it's good enough."
by SlotMachinePlayer on Mar 5, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I liked Marvin Jones for about a month now. I thnk he would b a great fit here.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Also interested in Nick Toon. His father is a HoF WR.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
01/27/2012 – 2012 SENIOR BOWL RISERS: Marvin Jones, WR, California: A late addition to the Senior Bowl roster, Jones certainly made the most of his unexpected opportunity, standing out as the top wideout on the North squad. He used his combination of short-area burst and footwork to separate from defensive backs in one-on-one drills, looking precise as a route runner. Jones looks maxed out in terms of bulk on his narrow frame, but he had a better than expected weigh-in at 6-2, 198 pounds with 10-inch hands. He got himself in trouble when he tried to get physical with defensive backs in coverage, but he looks like an intriuging slot player who could excel in space. At Cal, Jones played second fiddle at wideout opposite sophomore first-team All-Pac-12 performer Keenan Allen. – Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com
I think he can be a good #2 guy, and potentially be a #1. Potentially.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Marvin Jones vs. Stanford
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpQgifLH8u8
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Chris Owusu got his bell rung a LOT this year
Would not take the risk
If we want a WR #1 outside the numbers, I wouldn’t mind Marvin Jones
But it’s more a “what sort of WR do we want” and then “OK, here’s your list”
PS most disappointing time has to be kendall wright’s 8 minute 40. seriously bro?
by quadruple option on Feb 26, 2012 10:49 PM EST reply actions
^ why the 40 time SHOULD NOT be taken seriously.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Eh.
40 yard dash time is the most statistically significant event at the combine, followed by the 3 cone.
83% of starting WRs in the league have above average speed in the 40. That’s important.
by Richard Hill on Feb 27, 2012 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Jerry Rice got a 4.7 40 at the combine.
the 40 yards dash is not to be taken seriously. He isn’t my sole reason though. Players who have great 40 times can also be proven as just track stars, and not really WRs. WRs are not successful in the NFL because of their 40 time. Its because of how they can get their separation, how their hands are, how their route running is, chemistry, how quick they are. That’s what can make a WR great. Not just speed. Its fine if you can get separation based solely on speed, but there is more to a deep threat than just speed. Faking the CBs out, finding spots in coverage. If you are inconsistent in catching the ball, or the Cb can just stay stride for stride with you because you couldn’t shake him off, then your speed can be negated.
I think those 83% of starting WRs had more to show then their speed.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Not saying 40 times are completely useless though. Its a rough estimate of what you COULD expect from a player.
Key word is COULD. Game speed is much much different than track speed. No way is Sanu a 4.6 40 WR. He is a 4.5 guy. I’d much rather let game film be the judge than the 40 time. Not saying you think 40 time is better than game film, but a lot of people like to hold the 40 time as the end all be all for a WRs success. I think its very overrated. I do like the 3 cone drill though.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
You realise how illogical saying “He is a 4.5 guy” is? 4.5 means speed in 40. He’s been electronically timed at 4.67. If you want to say "He plays fast’, that’s fine. But he isn’t a 4.5 guy
by quadruple option on Feb 27, 2012 4:19 AM EST up reply actions
On the field he is.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
So, on the field, wearing full pads, he runs faster than he does on a track, without pads?
ohhh-kayyy
by quadruple option on Feb 28, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
He looks like it.
He isn’t 4.6 40 slow. Thats like Saying Brandon Spikes is very slow because of his 40 time. he is faster on the field.
There is such a thing as game speed. Sanu’s game speed is much faster than the 40 time. Now, I’m pretty sure you watched film on Sanu. if I have seen Sanu outrun CBs, and I doubt there are many CBs who run a 4.67, then I doubt that Sanu runs a 4.67.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Actually, I think the argument is more like pads don't slow him down as much as pads slow other guys down.
For instance:
Receiver A runs a 4.4, but in pads can’t get seperation from a CB that ran a 4.55.
Receiver B runs a 4.67, but outruns the same cornerback.
Stronger players (more muscle mass) might actually run slower, but they are stronger and extra pad weight doesn’t slow them down as much. Kind of like towing a refrigerator in an pickup truck vs a sports car.
In the game you’ve got jukes, double moves, jams to beat, and such to consider. It’s not just acceleration off the line. A quicker receiver (one that can move and cut) can often do better than a faster receiver.
Also, if you look at the guys running 40 yards down the field, the 4.4 guy will be around 7 feet ahead of the 4.67 guy. If he has to slow at all for the ball, that 7 feet disappears fast. You’re really counting on hitting the guy in stride. Overall speed is good, but not everything. Jerry Rice’s 40 time was the same as Welker’s and he did pretty well.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
As the Greek philosopher Mediocrites once said, "Eh, it's good enough."
by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 28, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Criner does a good job of using his body to get open and catch with his huge hands
40, 3-cone, and 20-shuttle are to measure the athleticism of a WR and game tape tells how the guy gets open
U of A is better than ASU at everything, and it doesn't take a genius to prove it
by freeland1787 on Feb 27, 2012 2:36 AM EST up reply actions
Game tape tells a Wrs speed, quickness AND awareness mind you.
20 shuttle is useless imo.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
That's an exception, not the rule.
He’s also run in the 4.5s.
Players with great 40 yard times might not be elite players, but players without great 40 yard times, more often than not, are not elite players.
I’m not saying that the 40 yard dash is the only measure. I’m just saying that discounting the stat is unwise. If 83% of receivers beat the average at the combine, then your odds increase if you only look elite route running and great hands out of the players with above average 40 times.
by Richard Hill on Feb 27, 2012 2:50 AM EST up reply actions
As I said
Not saying 40 times are completely useless though. Its a rough estimate of what you COULD expect from a player.
Key word is COULD. Game speed is much much different than track speed. No way is Sanu a 4.6 40 WR. He is a 4.5 guy. I’d much rather let game film be the judge than the 40 time. Not saying you think 40 time is better than game film, but a lot of people like to hold the 40 time as the end all be all for a WRs success. I think its very overrated. I do like the 3 cone drill though.
The 40 time is fine to take into consideration. But for me its not the end all be all. if I find the WR on game film performs, and runs, a lot better than his 40 time suggests, or runs a lot worse than it suggests, then I can not trust the 40 yard dash. And there were quite a few cases where the 40 time a WR made was not a good indication of his actual game speed. I hold game speed> 40 time speed, which is why I think its over-rated. But hey, Game Speed can equal 40 time speed too. I know that Stephen Hill, for example, was faster than most suggested. But the 4.30 time is not his speed. Its probably a bit under 4.40. But yes, the 40 time could accurately gauge a WRs speed. Just rather look at game film.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
“But the 4.30 time is not his speed. Its probably a bit under 4.4”
- you are better than electronic timing?
by quadruple option on Feb 27, 2012 4:19 AM EST up reply actions
I think he means combins time vs time in pads.
by Richard Hill on Feb 27, 2012 8:14 AM EST up reply actions
I know what he means but he uses a completely inaccurate term :>
by quadruple option on Feb 27, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I see Marvin McNutt getting good reviews on all 4
I think he would be a good player in this offense
U of A is better than ASU at everything, and it doesn't take a genius to prove it
Marvin McNutt
I’ve been on the McNutt bandwagon for a while. He looked great in Iowa and at the combine and he has some of the best hands of all WR’s in the draft.
by iso1512 on Feb 26, 2012 11:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
His route running is raw though, which is what I am concerned about.
Overview
McNutt was a top-50 quarterback recruit out of high school, choosing Iowa over Missouri, Wisconsin and Nebraska. After redshirting in 2007, he was listed as the third-string quarterback in 2008 as a redshirt freshman and saw limited action in three games. McNutt made the full transition to wide receiver prior to 2009 and made an instant impact there as a sophomore with five starts, finishing with 34 catches for 674 yards (19.8) and 8 touchdowns. He started every game in 2010 as a junior (13 starts), recording a team-best 53 receptions for 861 yards (16.2) and 8 scores, earning Second Team All-Big Ten honors. McNutt had his best season in 2011 as a senior with 13 starts, finishing with 82 catches for a conference-best 1,315 yards (16.0) and a school single-season record 12 touchdowns, earning First Team All-Big Ten honors and was named the conference’s receiver of the year.
McNutt is a talented all-around athlete and was a stand-out prep performer, receiving scholarships for baseball, basketball and football — didn’t play football until his sophomore year in high school because of asthma. He played quarterback all through high school and didn’t accept the transition to wide receiver until his redshirt sophomore season at Iowa — still learning the nuances of the position, but had a near-flawless transition and has a natural feel as a receiver. McNutt isn’t a sudden or explosive athlete, but was productive in a traditional passing offense and has just enough long-striding speed to keep the defense honest — will be valued more by certain teams and could find a fit as a strong, possession target with his hand-eye coordination, body control and soft hands.
Analysis
Strengths: A tall, long big-bodied athlete with a solid upper body — long arms and uses his upper body limbs to beat press coverage. A long strider and gliding athlete with build-up speed. Does a nice job using his size to create separation with good body control to shield defenders — fearless in traffic. Has outstanding body control and ball skills, showing very good hand-eye coordination with large, soft hands — won’t drop many balls and plays confident. Highpoints the ball well and makes many of his catches away from his frame — strong possession target who can move the chains and make some “wow” one-handed, acrobatic receptions. Tracks the ball very well to make tough catches look easy and shows very good awareness, always knowing where the sticks are. Has the physical nature and toughness to fight for every yard after the catch. Still improving as a route runner, but does a nice job of using head fakes to hold defensive backs. Showed steady progression at the position and improved each season — a natural, despite only three years at the position. Was consistently productive (28 career TDs), leading the Hawkeyes in receiving the past two seasons and finished his career with several single-season and career records.
Weaknesses: Not a sudden or dynamic athlete and is more of a one-speed guy who lacks natural burst. Not explosive and appears herky-jerky in his actions, lacking the quick-twitch movement skills to quickly change directions and create consistent separation. Still maturing as a route runner and needs to sell routes better to keep defenders off-balance — will round off and tip his intended route. Needs to use his body to be effective and shows streaky focus at times. A former QB, McNutt has only three years at receiver and is still developing and learning the ins and outs of the position — quiet final two games of his career lined up against two very good cornerbacks (Alfonzo Dennard, Nebraska and Jamell Flemming, Oklahoma). Has some durability concerns, battling wrist and shoulder injuries as a senior — also has asthma and struggled managing this condition early in his career.
NFL Comparison: Roy Williams, Chicago Bears
— Dane Brugler
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I do think he'll be a nice pickup, but I wouldn't lose any sleep if we miss him.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Me Neither
I just think that he is as good as Sanu except we could get him 1-2 rounds later.
by iso1512 on Feb 26, 2012 11:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah
but sanu is a much better blocker.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
And he can do well in press coverage because of his strength and physicality.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
That is true but I just feel that if we want Sanu we would have to get him using a 1st rounder
And i’d rather have us use our first rounders on other positions.
by iso1512 on Feb 26, 2012 11:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd be fine with using the 31st pick on a WR. But thats just me.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I'm fine with that too but why spend a first on a WR when there will be available wide recievers later in the draft that are almost as good?
by iso1512 on Feb 27, 2012 12:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
They aren't though.
Sanu arguably, but not as good as Criner or Randle. Those guys, including Sanu, have the potential to be Elite. The guys after him are more raw, and can still be just as Elite, but those 3 I am more sure about than any other guy in the draft.
The only low rounder that I really, really hope the pats get is Marvin Jones. The guy has great talent. Other than him, and maybe a couple others, I will be content with the other guys.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
That said
we can find a quality starter within 3 rounds.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
this
U of A is better than ASU at everything, and it doesn't take a genius to prove it
by freeland1787 on Feb 27, 2012 2:37 AM EST up reply actions
yeah i like jones as the better marvin
Especially considering we can get him later. On top of the route running he seems to have better hands and body control. More likely to make the tough catches n be a deep threat.
by AMORALES on Feb 27, 2012 7:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm on the bandwagon too!
Lakers and Patriots forever.
We should draft this guy in the center to be our center
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob-jHlLbCz0&feature=related
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I'm gonna lol if the Patriots get Peter Konz and give him #68
it’ll be just like in the family guy episode minus the fanfare
U of A is better than ASU at everything, and it doesn't take a genius to prove it
by freeland1787 on Feb 27, 2012 2:38 AM EST up reply actions
Georgia Tech's Stephen Hill was impressive in shorts.
Which ones weren’t in shorts? Do we have to dismiss him because he’s a great athlete? Maybe he has the work ethic to become a better receiver? Perhaps he thrives with pro coaching? His one trick is the trick we don’t have. He should at the least deserve consideration.
Come see the violence inherent in the system, help help I'm being repressed.
by sweetjesusihatethejets on Feb 27, 2012 8:11 AM EST reply actions
I meant "shorts" in a "not in pads" sort of way.
And no, we don’t dismiss him because he’s a great athlete. Just realize that some team will draft him based purely on his athleticism and not on a balanced mix of his production and athleticism. That inflates his value. And even if he has the work ethic, is that worth the risk?
And his one trick is Brady’s weakness since Brady is not a deep ball quarterback. Rather draft a receiver who fits Brady’s skill set.
by Richard Hill on Feb 27, 2012 8:14 AM EST up reply actions
Well Brady could just throw the 3-step fade to Hill and let him burn away after :)
by quadruple option on Feb 27, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
I like to get a WR who has great hands, leaping ability, and body control.
Brady is not as good a deep ball as he once was, but a receiver like that can help with that. Of course route running would be a huge part of it. That said WR needs to see what Brady sees, and run the route Brady wants him too. And that in itself is very tough.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Brady was never good at the deep ball.
Common misconception due to the 2007 highlight reel.
by Richard Hill on Feb 27, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Well that was the first year he really had a deep threat no?
eh…
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Actually, no. When you look at percentages, it wasn't much of a change.
More of them went the distance (TDs) than normal. It’s just that Moss had a lot of highlight reel catches.
Highlight reel plays get show more often, so it SEEMED like more.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
As the Greek philosopher Mediocrites once said, "Eh, it's good enough."
by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 27, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Oh okay. Well thats interesting and awesome. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Yeah, there was an interesting article a week or so ago that showed that.
It opened my eyes.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
As the Greek philosopher Mediocrites once said, "Eh, it's good enough."
by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 28, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I understand
but people drool over Mike Wallace who wasn’t that productive in college either. I’m not advocating the Al Davis WR draft system, but is he worth the risk? Maybe at 48 he is.
Come see the violence inherent in the system, help help I'm being repressed.
by sweetjesusihatethejets on Feb 27, 2012 8:27 AM EST reply actions
Yeah I won't mind taking him at 48
as long as we get another WR in the draft as insurance.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
quick note on danny coale
i live in VA which is pretty much virginia tech country. i don’t particularly care for tech but they are everywhere here.
i would love to see the pats take danny coale. he was the heart and soul of that VA tech team. he reminds me so much of welker – tough, quick, smart, great instincts, great hands. i think he would be a steal, especially in the late rounds. he may not be the best athlete, but he’s smart and he’ll work harder than anyone else.
as far as the outside threat we are coveting, i’m also on the mcnutt bandwagon. he made so many plays without a legit QB throwing him the ball. he’s big and strong, so you would have to think our coaching could od a great job teaching him how to beat press coverage. i don’t know much about his intelligence and ability to understand our offense, though.
Watching the DL and LB's today
I’ve seen a lot of Andre Branch mock draft picks with him going to us. He looks too skinny. It will be interesting to see what we do in this draft. I’m like the depth at CB and WR this year. I’m thinking we should trade our number 27 pick for a 1st next year and a 2nd this year. Some good players always fall and I think we have done a nice job of that in recent years.
Irvin is nasty
but he is a 4-3 OLB. But he has played some 3-4 DE….. lol
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Something Wiley
I watched the combine drills and the WR Wiley seemed like a Wes 2.0 so in case we lose Wes, he could possibly be a great fit.
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Devon Wylie?
Yeah. He can be a wes welker or a nick miller. I watched video on him. he is a 5th-6th rounder right now.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
lol
There may never be another wes welker again. Production like his, from a guy his size n speed may never happen again. I def dont like OUR chances of drafting another one. Its too hard to quantify what makes him great, hence why he was undrafted, n why it would be so hard to find wes 2.0. I’m sure there are other guys who can do it, but most would never be given the chance.
by AMORALES on Feb 27, 2012 4:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wylie is virtually the same exact size as Welker
and may be an UDFA like welker too.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Okay... I pride myself in finding lower round guys but....
why is this guy a 7TH ROUNDER???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtlONCH8jPA
is it because of his motor that he may over pursue, or miss a tackle? The guy has very good speed, change of direction, and will be a solid project picking him up in the 7th.
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Here is his stats
http://www.cfbstats.com/2011/player/626/1010851/sack/split.html
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
He is 6'2" 246 lbs according to CBS Draft
but he looks to have great strength going up against big OTs and OGs in the vid. He drove some back too.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
and according to the vid
he can line up as a 4-3 DE, 4-3 OLB, and 3-4 OLB.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

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