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Who Stays? Who Goes?

This offseason, our team has a whopping 20 million in cap space - but that's because we've got a boatload of free agents. Let's examine them all and discuss who stays and who goes...and who will replace them.

Star-divide

Regardless of the drop, we all know that Welker, barring an acrimonious contract negotiation, will be tagged or signed by next year. My take: He's a vital key and our only proven WR going forward.

Anderson is young and athletic. This year, he emerged into a full-time starter, effectively replacing Carter's production. If anything, the D-Line stepped up in Carter's absence. At the start of camp, he was viewed as a pure pass-rusher but has shown ability to be a 3-down linebacker in a 3-4 scheme. When we desperately need passrush, Anderson is a must-keep. My take: He'll be back as part of a 3-4 LB corp.

Branch is old, slow, and on his last legs. He has shown tendency to drop balls and no longer warrants anything more than single coverage when facing a semi-decent CB. He can show veteran flashes (see TD vs Broncos) and is Brady's buddy, but definitely is not someone we can build around. My take: Branch will retire or come back on a 1-year contract as a reserve WR. Could get cut in training camp depending on competition.

Hoyer is a restricted free agent. I see a trade in the works, possibly for a second-round pick. Sadly, Hoyer hasn't got much playing time, but has shown great potential in spots. Having him on or off the roster won't effect anything unless Brady goes down. My take: Hoyer is either gone completely or traded. We'll see how much the Patriots like Mallett by watching for whether they go for another QB or cut Hoyer and don't replace him.

While Green-Ellis never fumbles and rarely is stopped for no gain, he is not capable of big plays and is not a pass-catching threat. While he'll look for a contract elsewhere, I fail to see him getting the money he wants from another team when youth and explosiveness is what is looked for. I feel he isn't a bell-cow back. He's a goal-line back, a 3rd and 2 back. My take: He'll be back in the end unless we feel very comfortable with Ridley, Vereen, and Woodhead, and don't want to pay him. I think other teams will assume his success is the system.

Carter is much older and may not be explosive enough after his injury. He produced prolifically before going down but the D didn't miss a beat after he left. Carter doesn't seem to thrive in a 3-4 defense. My take: He might be back in a no-guarantees camp 1-year contract. He'll have to work his way in but if BB feels comfortable with what's already there, he'll be retiring or looking for one last decent payday somewhere else.

Connolly is the glue guy for the O-Line. When a hole appears, he plugs it. LG, RG, C, he does it all and does it quite decently. Did I mention he returns punts? I can't imagine not keeping him but we'll have to hope no one overpays him elsewhere. My take: He'll be back.

Slater was a team captain, a Pro Bowl STer, and a backup safety. He even caught one pass. But is he worth a spot? He'll be back on a 1 or 2 year cheap contract. He's too entrenched here to leave and I can't see another team wanting him other than for special teams. My take: He'll be back unless he's beat out in camp and we have plenty of ST depth.

An undrafted player, Love has not produced much in terms of stats but has stuffed the holes and been a force. However, his record is not very long and teams will hesitate on giving him a big payday. My take: He'll be back next to Wilfork for the next 3-4 years.

Koppen has been a stalwart of the line for the longest time. However, the team lost him very early and didn't seem to miss him. We might see him retire. He could come back and groom the next center but with Connolly, Wendell, and McDonald all younger, I doubt it. My take: He retires.

Ihedigbo was exposed for what he is: a backup safety. However, he's been pretty vocal on the team and seems to really enjoy his tenure here. Other teams won't pay him money to be a mediocre safety. My take: He stays. We always need safety depth.

He retires. Thanks for an amazing run, Mr. Longest-Tenured Patriot.

He retires.

He's gone. We're not keeping this guy. He'll angle for a contract, become a backup somewhere or he'll sit in camp and get cut in roster trimmings.

I'm praying he goes since it'll mean we're better off in terms of CB depth.

The long, tall CB showed a lot of potential. Not enough to excite another team but still plenty. My take: We need tall guys. He's coming back.

He'll be back in camp. The question is whether he makes the roster. My hunch is that he might start on the PUP or get stashed on IR depending on the LB depth.

Warren has expressed his desire to come back. Last year, he had an implicit deal with BB to come back, rejecting other suitors. I see the same thing playing out here. He might be a bubble player like Ventrone, being cut depending on our needs per week. As d-line depth thins out, he'll come back. My take: He's not getting any major money, but is playing for a ring.

Famous for canoodling with Kardashian, he can't make the field. I see him gone.

A consummate professional, he's on the wrong side of 30. With rising STers Slater, Koutovides, Tarpinian he may or may not come back. He'll be in camp though.

So what are the open roster spots? LB, S, C, DE, CB.

LB just needs depth. I think BB may draft a late-round (4th or lower) pick for depth but we have a glut of backup LBs and not as many stars. Cunningham may come back considering we've switched to 3-4. He showed a ton of promise in his first year. I see him as developing into a semi-starter.

On DB, we'll be looking for slot CBs, and a starting safety. Look for a safety in the 2nd or third round. With Dowling coming back and Moore developing into a star, I see CB as a lower priority. McCourty will perform better with a good safety. A Barron/McCourty tandem could be lethal together. We'll try out a whole bunch of FAs too. That's BB's approach. Throw a whole bunch of crap at the wall and see what sticks. It uncovers a few stars and he's a genius. I say that without sarcasm.

As for center, we'll look to the draft in order to get someone cheap. It depends on who's available but we'll see a first or second round pick for this. New England always drafts for the O-line. We rarely bring in FAs. Waters will be back BTW. With Cannon backing him up. With Solder, Vollmer, and Light at tackle.

We now come to DE. DE is a tough position because as much as I would like the Patriots to draft one, BB seems to prefer drafting DE either in the first round or in late ones. There were exceptions (Crable, Brace) and they didn't turn out so well. It depends on who's available. My hunch is this won't be a priority. Of course, it depends on who's available.

Now the controversial question: WR. If we can get Lloyd or a star FA WR with speed and height, cut Ocho straight away. But if Jeffery or a true star with height and speed falls in the draft, I'd take him.Why do I say that. Go to Josh McDaniels. He drafted Demaryius Thomas, a super-tall and fast WR from GA. The knock on Thomas was that he didn't have good memory and didn't seem to have a good sense of routes. Daniels was derided for passing on Dez Bryant. Two years later, Bryant has attitude issues and D.T. is a Broncos star. Tebow-to-D.T. is their version of Brady2Moss. So my prediction is if we can get a D.T. kind of player, we'll pull the trigger. The pundits will scratch their heads and wonder why NE is abandoning the quick WR, TE attack, but we're simply adding a new dimension. We desperately need a WR who will warrant serious coverage. Imagine a good WR with Welker along with Hernandez, Gronkowski, and Woodhead out of the backfield. That's a ridiculous package. We're going to get a WR in FA or the draft. We'll see. Either way, Ocho is probably on his way out. Sadly.

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laurent robinson

i would like lloyd as well, but if we can only get one he is the one. the kid is a monster. if we only get one id keep chad. heck id keep chad anyway. i still dont understand how branch beat him out.

by AMORALES on Feb 6, 2012 9:27 PM EST reply actions  

juron criner- draft him

Tedy Bruschi- "How do we feel about being AFC Champs?"
Team- "Aww Yeah!!!"

by freeland1787 on Feb 6, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

They need a "stretch the field guy" more than anything...

They need someone fast enough to be able to break away and give Brady an accurate threat to throw to on long vertical routes. Hernandez and Gronk are great in the red zone where they can use their size and athleticism to make catches at or near the goal line. One of the players that comes to mind (if money and off field behavior were not an object) would be DeSean Jackson. Yes, he is on the small side (5’10", 175 lbs), but he has the speed to make him the deep threat this team needs.

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Feb 7, 2012 5:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That'd be nice

He already has experience crushing the dreams of Giants fans.

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by New Century Silver on Feb 7, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol!

While that is not why I thought of him, you are so right. I live about an hour outside of Philadelphia, and the Eagles are my NFC team, so I have seen a lot of him. Unfortunately, I missed that play- I had been watching the game all day, and had to leave for work just before that play!

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Feb 9, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I was watching

but stopped when they (the Eagles) were down by so much. I turned down the sound on my TV and did some other stuff for a few minutes, and then came back just in time for the play. If I had turned the TV off instead of down I probably would have missed it lol.

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by New Century Silver on Feb 9, 2012 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't want

1. Attitude is awful
2. Drops balls like crazy
3. Diva and won’t throw blocks
4. Doesn’t have height and can be fragile
5. Always commits boneheaded penalties
6. Will be ridiculously expensive
7. Will demand to be pass-catching option #1.

Lakers and Patriots forever.

by D.S.T. on Feb 7, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree and disagree...

Specifically:

1. His attitude is not consistently bad- he was a problem last year, largely because of contract issues. I also said above that his attitude is one of the things that gives me pause.
2. He had some issues with this last year, but I do not recall him being terrible over the course of his career.
3. Good point- I have never paid too much attention to blocking by wide receivers until it is pointed out.
4. Yes he is short, but I don’t see him as more fragile than average- he has never missed more than two games in any season, and did not miss any games due to injury last season. (and considering the brutality of the hit that took two games from him in 2010, I think it is semi-amazing that was all it took- that hit made ME sick).
5. I think that is overstating things- yes, he has committed some stupid penalties, but it is not a constant with him- while I was unable to find statistics for last year, it was no more than four penalties for 30 yards in any other year.
6. This is the biggest thing I have against bringing him in.
7. The stats don’t bear this out. While Jackson has had seasons where he led the team in targets, this is not true every season, nor is he targeted a disproportionate amount of the time- even the years he led the team in the category, it was not disproportionately so.

I think a big issue for Jackson is maturity- while I don’t think that New England can afford him, I think there is a chance that being in a locker room with skill players that skew a little older would be beneficial for Jackson.

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Feb 9, 2012 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Really for me it comes down to attitude

and whether he’ll be a problem in the lockeroom or not. On the one hand, he seems cocky, has a tendency for really dumb mistakes, and worst case scenario is a “play when I wanna play” guy, but on the other he could buy into the winning system and really become the kind of player who gets everyone fired up and leads the charge. He’s also a playmaker, a spark, as opposed to the consistent but rarely flashy players we have now like Welker, Gronk, and Hernando. Kind of like Moss in a way.

All in all, I’d definitely take him if we could, but chances are he wouldn’t be worth the price. The good thing about the Ocho deal is there was really nothing to lose – the last thing any of us want is to end up with an Ocho situation after we’ve given up a crapload to get a guy.

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by New Century Silver on Feb 9, 2012 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Never liked.... Or never trusted?

I don’t think it is as simple as liking or disliking, nor as personal- I think Ocho had trouble learning the defense, they did not have a ton of off season time to work on it. This caused him to be less than trustworthy, as he frequently was not where he was supposed to be, and resulted in them never really being on the same page.

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Feb 7, 2012 4:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Oh I get it now. That's why he struggled!
I think Ocho had trouble learning the defense

BB, give him the offense playbook, next time please.

(Jk)

by Lythos on Feb 9, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Oooops… offense.

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Feb 12, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I generally don't want the Pats to go after a LB in the later rounds

unless someone amazing pops up. Pats got Dan Fletcher for depth at ILB and SOLB, they’ll have Markell Carter competing in camp as well at OLB. Mark Anderson and Rob Ninkovich will probably start with Mayo/Spikes in the middle. Sure they could use some depth, but I figure a later round unless a major talent somehow falls. I think Mark Anderson wants to stay here.

Plan for the Pats using only one 1st, one 2nd, one 3rd, and one 4th. That’s all we’ll have unless trading the other 1st and 2nd nets lower draft picks. We’ll see. I figure they’ll go either WR or DT/DE 1st with Saint’s pick, Safety or WR at 2nd with Raider’s pick, Safety, WR, or Center at 3rd, and Center or other at 4th. They’ll surely using #31 and probably #63 to trade back to 2013 and try getting some 3rd-7th round picks at the same time RFA Brian Hoyer might fetch something, but I wouldn’t count on more than a 3rd rounder.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Feb 6, 2012 10:21 PM EST reply actions  

considering the ridiculous

prices people pay for QBs – See Palmer, Fitzpatrick, KOLB – I think the Patriots could squeeze a second out of somebody.

Lakers and Patriots forever.

by D.S.T. on Feb 6, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Those guys did, you know, play...

Not throw 26 passes. Hoyer will net something, but not something exorbitant like those guys.

Tom Brady. Nuff said.

by Cub Style on Feb 6, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

This

The Patriots will have a lot of difficulty getting value for Hoyer because he (thankfully) has not had to play meaningful time for them. He is thus a completely unknown entity, and there is not much value in a quarterback who has been with a team for as long as Hoyer has without getting a start.

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Feb 7, 2012 5:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I envy the Packers

Who will surely be receiving a slew of picks for one Matt Flynn—based mostly on a ridiculous one game performance. That’s quite a bit of leverage for an already contending team.

Can I Scream?

by Adam Fox on Feb 7, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

He did play well against us

With that said, I wouldn’t give more then a low 2nd round, if that, for him.

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by New Century Silver on Feb 7, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Not so fast...

Flynn is going to be a free agent, and with the other players they have headed to Free Agency, Green Bay is more likely to use the franchise tag on a player like Finley who they actually want to keep.

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Feb 9, 2012 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

If the Pack uses the tag on Flynn

it’ll be complicated to trade him.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Feb 9, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would it be complicated?

The Pats tagged Cassell and then traded him to the Chiefs. I am just wasaying that I think Flynn is more likely to be a free agent (and ridiculously paid for good performance in a small sample size of games) than signed and traded.

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Feb 12, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, but teams had the benefit of seeing Cassel start games for an entire year. Even still, the Patriots had to toss in Vrabel just to get a second rounder.

by Oughat on Feb 14, 2012 3:13 AM EST up reply actions  

No, Vrabel was thrown in with the deal

the second rounder didn’t hinge on him. Belichick wanted Vrabel to go to a team that would honor his contract and pay him the bonus he had due.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Feb 14, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

He likely would have been a cap casualty here.

It also helped Pioli pick up a good locker room leader that would buy into the system. It was a win-win.

It was good for Vrabel in that he got placed with a team that valued him AND got paid.
It was good for the Chiefs in that it gave them something a rebuilding team needed – a leader.
It wasn’t as good for the Pats, but they were probably going to have to cut him anyway.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 14, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Jackie MacMullan had a terrific piece on this back in December:
Vrabel had one year left on his contract when he went to Belichick in 2009 and told him he’d like to redo his deal. Within weeks, he was dealt to Kansas City.

It was a shocking and hurtful development for the proud linebacker, who had enjoyed a tremendous relationship with Belichick. Vrabel didn’t speak to his former coach for almost two years after the trade.

Time has softened Vrabel’s stance. He’s retired now and working as a defensive line coach at Ohio State, and hopes to pop in on a Patriots practice in Indianapolis.

“Bill and I are more than fine now,” Vrabel said. "To be honest, I had this revelation. Let’s say, for example, I stayed in New England and got old, and it got messy. Maybe I got cut. If that happened, we probably wouldn’t have a relationship.

“Looking back, what Bill did made sense. I went to K.C., met a ton of people. Now Bill and I talk all the time. I get advice on my players. I check on his daughter, who is at Ohio State.

“We never talked about the trade. We probably never will. But I know this: Bill cares. He doesn’t show it, but if you bust your ass for him, he’s got your back.

“Now, that may not come across in August in training camp. But one day, these guys will be 36 years old and they’ll understand what he was all about.”

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Feb 14, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I read that in your links. Good stuff.

They needed to drop some salary cap that year, and I think the situation that Vrabes was talking about, “Let’s say, for example, I stayed in New England and got old, and it got messy.” was going to happen sooner rather than later.

Instead he got paid full salary in KC as well as a second deal. It was likely the best thing BB could do for him. As Vrabes said, “…he’s got your back.”

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 14, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats really awesome! Vrabel is my favorite LB of all-time, Tippett was awesome too

but I was kinda young at that time. Although, Spikes, Mayo, and Ninko are my favorite tandem ;)

by Yardpenalty.com on Feb 17, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

No to WR, DT, or DE w/ 1st Saint pick, no to WR in general

WR will be solved with free agency, not the draft. Draft should be used on, in this order, a safety, center, and then corner or DE.

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by New Century Silver on Feb 9, 2012 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

If the right wide receiver is available,

Why not draft him?

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Feb 12, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I say lets not even try to speculate lol

I would like a good ole fashioned playmaker and I will cheer for whoever Bill decides to take

by Yardpenalty.com on Feb 17, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

The Browns, maybe...

…they could give up a high-3rd which I think is the best we can hope for, but if they really want a QB, they got the pick and the draft-capital to trade up for RGIII.

Redskins might also have interest.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Feb 6, 2012 11:09 PM EST reply actions  

Andre Carter = AFC's best pass rusher

so hes a essential keep, age or no age. I also think Ellis comes back, as he wants a SB, and I see no reason for him to go. Faulk retires. We should keep Ocho, as hes mostly done his job when called upon. Guyton goes.

Also, I’ve never heard of Lockett =(

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by New Century Silver on Feb 6, 2012 11:10 PM EST reply actions  

What? What?

He had a couple good games. He’s slow, he’s not powerful, he has no dominating moves. He eats up QBs who hold the ball. So what?

Tom Brady. Nuff said.

by Cub Style on Feb 6, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

He had the highest number of sacks...

isn’t that the point of a pass-rusher?

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by New Century Silver on Feb 7, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you for clarifying.

As for Carter, I don’t think he’ll be back. His pass rush is a little overrated, he got sacks in bunches, but it was still good. I think they’ll end up taking a kid like Whitney Mercilus in lieu of resigning Carter.

Tom Brady. Nuff said.

by Cub Style on Feb 7, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Nick Perry and/or Andre Branch

are more likely over Mercilus.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Feb 9, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

because Mercilus will not be there..

or you just like Perry and Branch better? I like the and/or

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by sweetjesusihatethejets on Feb 10, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be concerned about Andre's health after that injury, given his age.

We’ll see how he looks and how much he wants. Same with Shau Ellis. Both are solid lockerroom guys but they’re getting up there in age like Gerard Warren. The Line is due for an infusion of young talent.

I think the Pats aren’t going to bring Ocho back, and will look to both the draft and FA to stock up the WR corps. Pats need to be able to make plays beyond 20 yards. Welker,Gronk, and Hernandez are all between-the-numbers guys who can force one-on-one coverage outside of the numbers. Pats need to be able to beat that.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Feb 6, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Carter i'd like back

Deion is a huge no. Here’s why, he was invisible in the 2nd half and play offs with a huge drop in the last drive. I’ve always thought Ocho would do a better job if he was given Deion’s role despite the lack of chemistry with Brady because Ocho gets open way more and beats man coverage much better. I hope Ocho takes a pay cut to stay here and gets more chemistry with brady to work in more of the offense.

by lololol on Feb 7, 2012 2:02 AM EST reply actions  

Don't know of Ocho will be brought back for $3 million

But with a full training camp, I expect him to be much better as the #2 receiver.

by tossin on Feb 7, 2012 2:53 AM EST up reply actions  

If Ocho takes a pay cut, they'll keep him.

No matter what role he has, he’ll still catch more than this year, right? And I don’t see a single other team having interest. He’ll have to swallow pride though.

Lakers and Patriots forever.

by D.S.T. on Feb 7, 2012 7:41 AM EST up reply actions  


shrugs……I don’t trust Deion and Ocho.
You already made the point about Deion. Despite Brady’s connection with him, he’s lost a step and less reliable now.
As for Ocho, he wasn’t really all effective. He didn’t play much. He was slow to learn the system. Brady doesn’t seem to trust him.

Patriots need get some you speedy wideouts that stretch the field

I hope that they use their first draft pick on a wide receiver.

by raymond.n.scott on Feb 7, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Ocho never got an off-season

When Ocho gets more time to get on the same page as Brady, he’ll be at his worst day what Branch is on a good day.

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by New Century Silver on Feb 9, 2012 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sold...

I mean, after a whole season together, they did not seem to even be reading from the same book.

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Feb 12, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats because he ws learning the book for half the season

And Brady preferred his boy Branch over Ocho.

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by Jack'sAxe on Feb 15, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I would keep both Ochocinco and Branch...

…at least until the end of training camp and for favorable conditions because I’d rather have too many receivers than too few. Of course Ocho has to take a pay cut because paying him three million after the kind of season he’s had is unrealistic although I think a whole offseason together with Brady will help him. As far as Branch is concerned, we should give him a one, maybe two year deal and reduce his role because let’s face it, he’s no longer able to carry all the load as a number two receiver especially when one of our top three guys is not at 100% (Super Bowl, anyone?). But he has that chemistry with Brady few people have and that’s his biggest asset as he can help tutoring a possible draft pick. I think this doesn’t necessarily have to be a first round guy but drafting a receiver plus adding a free agent (at good cost) looks like a good plan to me.

by Offensive Jazz Interference on Feb 14, 2012 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

My take is similar to yours.

Wes Welker is a must keep, IMO. The only problem I see with negotiations is the length of the contract – Pats will want less and Welker will want more. That can be fixed be front loading the deal, so the later years aren’t worth as much.

Deion Branch could come back for veteran minimum or so type deal. He’s a good guy and wants to stay a Patriot. If we can pick up a potential #1 receiver, allowing Wes to play slot full time, then Branch would have value as a #3 in a Gaffney type role. He might not make it past training camp, though.

Mark Anderson is a must keep. He’s shown he’s worth resigning. He also isn’t likely to be as valuable elsewhere making a deal easy to do.

Brian Hoyer could easily hit the door. We have Mallet in the wings and could pick up another late round QB easily enough even cheaper than vet minimum for Hoyer.

BenJarvus Green-Ellis is as sure aball carrier as you will ever see. Since we’ll always have a RBBC, we’ll need a few horses in the stable. Law Firm will be back with a little bonus for a job well done.

Andre Carter comes back at least for training camp provided his demands aren’t too high. If they stay mostly 3-4, though, he might not be a fit.

Dan Connolly will be back unless a Belichick disciple decides to grab him. He is serviceable and versatile – two very Belichickian things.

Matthew Slater has survived year after year when I thought he’d be cut. His primary benefit is special teams and there are a few teams that value that as highly as Belichick. He doesn’t have that much value outside the system, and I think he knows it. He’ll be back because he knows his best chance is here.

Kyle Love has more than outproduced Ron Brace who we drafted. He’s not a sexy, sought after type player, so we can sign him cheap and keep some stability in the trenches.

Dan Koppen is on borrowed time. He’ll come back to camp, but probably retires ala Tedy Bruschi. I’m pretty sure we’ll draft another center this year – one that doesn’t struggle with bigger nose tackles.

James Ihedigbo can stay as a depth guy for the 80 man roster at camp. Whether he makes onto the 53 man remains to be seen.

Kevin Faulk will be a Patriot long enough to retire. There’s nothing left in that tank, but thanks for all the memories.

Shaun Ellis hasn’t done enough to come back.

Gary Guyton is the last LB in a very deep corps. His space is better filled with someone with more upside.

Nate Jones is JAG (Just A Guy). I’m hoping we draft someone with more upside than he has.

Antwaun Molden has earned the right to battle at camp. There’s some upside there, and unless another team overpays, he’ll be back.

Niko Koutouvides has made more plays on ST than I expected. He might get a chance to compete at camp or not depending on the draft and the following FA opportunities.

Gerard Warren probably comes back here or nowhere. He can get push when he needs to, but is a long way from an every down guy. Probably a one year deal if it happens.

Bret Lockett is like an amoeba on the food chain. I’d rate Slater higher at safety and that’s saying something. Bye bye.

Tracy White is fighting amongst other younger special teams players. If he’s back for camp, he’ll have a tough time making the 53.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 7, 2012 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

My take on the draft

The safety class isn’t particularly deep or good, unfortunately. The good news is that Chung and McC can hold the fort for a year until we can get a better safety. That means we might need another CB or two. I’d say that BB probably grabs a minimum of two guys to shift through.

Another outside rusher OLB is always worth looking at.

I’ve liked Deaderick this year, but another dominant DE (G. Warren in his prime or Seymour) would really help this line.

I think we’ll see a center in the first or second rounds. Someone that can hold up well to nose tackles.

I’d like a see a wide receiver that can get open on a go route, but isn’t limited to go routes. I think the problems with Brady’s long ball is he doesn’t get a chance to throw it that often or with much of a window. We need a guy that can get some seperation – either with speed or with height. If you establish that you can run deep, then they have to defend that and it makes other routes easier to sell.

I’d still let Ocho hang around through camp to see if he has improved. He still has more upside than Branch. I think they’d be playing for the same slot on the 53.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 7, 2012 12:29 PM EST reply actions  

Thank you

Brady wants to go deep but who can, get a receiver over 6ft with some speed and pats are ballin

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by TONYBOI08 on Feb 7, 2012 3:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Exactly

heck…6’4 Randy Moss was like a toy to Brady. He loved using Randy, knowing what Randy could do, and he broke records with him.
It proved that he could put up Peyton Manning numbers if he actually had some serious weapons like Peyton Manning.

I would really like to see a great wide receiver and a great running back
Joe Montana had Jerry Rice and Roger Craig to help win super bowls.
When Joe Montana won his 2nd super bowl, Wendell Tyler had a 1,000 yard rushing season.
Most important is that they had great defense thanks to guys like Ronnie Lott, Keena Turner.

If Brady could get Montana had , he could win 2 more super bowls

Elway wouldn’t have won 2 of his last super bowls if it wasn’t for Terrell Davis at running back. Rod Smith was a great weapon at wide receiver. Who can forget Shannon Sharpe.

Brady has the greatest tight end in Gronkowski. If he was healthy, the offense would have done a lot better.

I am optimistic about the Patriots chances for another super bowl ring. I believe Brady will get one more.
Brady is tough too. Except for the torn ACL,MCL season ending injury in 2008, he hasn’t missed a game because of injury. He even plays hurt. Joe Montana was very injury prone and me missed quite a few games because of injury. Brady is known to play with injuries.

I get annoyed when some people question’s Brady’s heart. He jumped over the goal line against the Baltimore Raven. He broke away from sacks to extend plays and threw balls right in front of defensive players coming at him in the Super Bowl instead of just taking the sack or turning around and running away to avoid a hit.

by raymond.n.scott on Feb 7, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Vincent Jackson and Reggie Wayne are on the market this year. They don’t necessarily need to draft a WR. There’s also the teir 2 WR like Llyod, Bowe, Desean and such

by lololol on Feb 8, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't Reggie Wayne kind of old?

I agree we should use FA, but I don’t think we need a “1st tier”. Gronk and Hernando are both elite, as is Welker. Whoever we get will be catching probably no more then 1/4th of Brady’s passes, so making a big investment isn’t the way to go. Lloyd is our guy IMO, and then maybe a get a 4th+ round receiver for depth/hopes of finding a gem.

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by New Century Silver on Feb 9, 2012 1:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Wayne is a good route runner with great hands. He amassed nearly 1000 yrds with painter and Orlansky (spelling?) as QB. Is skill is being smart and good at catching stuff so he should decline slower than a speeder.

by lololol on Feb 9, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I read (somewhere) that Brady was the best short-passing QB in the game

and stuff like that is one reason I couldn’t stomach doing a links post for two days after the SB loss. Do ‘journalists’ and reporters really have that short a memory that they can’t remember 2007? Do they not understand that if the team does not employ a deep-threat WR, then it’s kind of hard for Brady to throw anything but short-to-medium passes? The logic is so basic that the incompetence of these reporters is mind-boggling – or else it’s purposefully deceitful and that’s even worse.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Feb 8, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

It’s just bewildering at times.

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by mmmmm on Feb 8, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Aye, that it is.

Brady could have 6 SBs right now – Colts AFCCG, and then the two SBs that came down to the final minutes were all winnable. Thats with basically 4+ different teams, with some being short-passing based, some deep-threat based, some defensive, and finally the one we have now which is TE + short pass.

So if 6 SBs with the Pats was possible when he still has 2+ years left in his career, what happens if he had played on a team with a consistently great defense? Say, Ravens? Or a all-around great team like the Steelers?

The Brady bashers need to understand that with Rodgers, Brees, Petyon, etc you’re seeing a player who has had everything go as good as one could possibly hope, at least when it comes to putting up big numbers. Its like they’re swimming with the current at their back. Brady, on the other hand, has to deal with a mixed bag of at times bad luck, a team that seems to be in constant transition on defense or offense, and, most importantly, a team that was only “QB friendly” for 3 years at most. Its as if hes swimming against the current, and yet he consistently blows away even the wildest expectations.

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by New Century Silver on Feb 9, 2012 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with Slot

I want:
1st or 2nd round CB
2nd or 3rd round FS
2nd or 3rd round WR (not a smurph, someone who can go up to make a catch and get downfield)
also need a pass rushing d-lineman and a developmental center or guard
BB trades either #27 or #31 for a 1st next year and a 2nd this year – and I am 100% fine with that.

by The Qwan on Feb 7, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

with McDaniels back I see

I see Lloyd coming here.as he stated He will follow His Coach…I also see McDaniels being way better then OC that went to pennState!!!

drafting a WR in draft has never worked for Pats.well has it?…I see BB trading away 1st round picks for 2nd-3rd rounds either this yr or next yr.just a gut feeling

by Jack2466 on Feb 9, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

In order of most to least important

Safety – big need
WR – big need, but can be solved with FA
Corner – big need now, but with guys coming back may not be a big deal
Center – with healthy corners back this will leapfrog to #3, but overall our line is good

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by New Century Silver on Feb 7, 2012 8:42 PM EST reply actions  

I think we need a Safety, DE/DT, DE/OLB, WR, C and CB

I honestly can’t recall any of our Centers getting steam rolled this season despite at times utilizing 4th stringer in games. I think we can use an upgrade but its certainly not a major need in my estimation. I think we can get one in the later rounds. Maybe around 4th round.
1st round: ILB/OLB like Hightower & DE/DT
2nd round: Safety & WR
3rd round: CB
4th round: Center
We originally believed that the CB trio of Bodden, McCourty and Dowling were going to be one of the better CB trios in the league. But maybe McCourty, Dowling and Arrington and perhaps Moore may be better. If we lose Arrington getting a CB like Boykin from GA in the 3rd rounds or so may be ideal.

Depth is great. Right up until you need it!!

by Vic85 on Feb 7, 2012 11:19 PM EST reply actions  

I would love for at least 4 of our 6 draft picks (assuming they use them all) on the defense.

Not to mention if we could get LaRon Landry the safety from Washington. He and Chung knocking people mercilessly in the backfield? Yes please. I want a defense that can make a QB like Brady look the way they made him look in the AFCCG. We are far from that. Or maybe not. To get that we need upgrades at S, CB and 1 or 2 spots in the front 7. Rush the passer mercilessly. Have an Aldon Smith or Von Miller type guy. Just for once.

Depth is great. Right up until you need it!!

by Vic85 on Feb 7, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

My priorities would be WR, DE/OLB, CB & C

Not necessarily in that order and not necessarily in the draft.

The easy one is the one I listed last: We need a young Center to anchor the OL over the next decade along with Solder and Volmer.

Although I agree with many that our offense doesn’t need a ‘true deep threat’ (i.e. a Randy Moss) it would definitely benefit from one. If we could get something resembling a Fitzgerald/CJ/Marshall type wideout, think of what a complement of weapons that would present to opposing defenses.

The need for a CB (or stud Safety, but I don’t think this draft has much there) and one more plus-quality edge defender in the front 7 I think are well discussed.

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by mmmmm on Feb 8, 2012 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

The Offense needs a wide-threat.

The Pats O is almost entirely built between the numbers right now. We’re weak outside of the numbers, unless Welker is out there pretending to be a true WR.

I think the Pats will load up the WR corps.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Feb 9, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep Welker, Anderson, Love,

and whoever understands they’re not getting big bucks.

There’s a good DB class in FA but we’ll see what’s the best to go for. We should assume Brandon Lloyd will become a Patriot until he is wearing another team’s uniform. They’ll look to make a splash in FA as a lot of teams can’t afford what they have. The Pats meanwhile have been built for the longhaul as evidenced by their draft selection and tons of caproom. In FA I think they grab at least one WR, at least one DB(especialy a Free Safety), and maybe try a low-cost gamble or two(see; Anderson, Carter, Waters) for the interior-trenches on both sides of the ball.

At #27th, the picks I think the Pats would go for are DE/DT Michael Brockers, DE/DT Fletcher Cox, DE/OLB Nick Perry, C Peter Konz, maybe WR Mohamed Sanu if he’s available(Alshon Jeffery has to prove himself to not be a risk), and maybe a CB like Janoris Jenkins if he somehow falls that far. It’s hard to see who the Pats would be willing to reach for.

The 31st gets traded back into a later round and next year. Like I said, the Pats organization thinks about the long-haul.

With the impending Hoyer trade and the trade for the 31st, the Pats will probably aim to enter Day 2 of the draft armed with 4-5 picks to spend between the 2nd and 3rd rounds. There they can snag a C like Ben Jones or Mike Brewster, WRs like Quick or Jones, CBs like Minnefred, S’s like Harrison Smith and Markelle Martin, a DE like Jared Crick, maybe a DE/OLB like Andre Branch, and anyone who’s fallen too fall.

The Pats should aim to get 2-3 non-slot WRs between FA and the draft, 2-3 DBs, a DT/DE, a Center, a DE/OLB and maybe a G for depth depending on who’s available.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Feb 9, 2012 8:35 PM EST reply actions  

Keep everyone! We have a great team and dont need anything

You cant be the best across the board, but having a pass rush specialist might be something of interest. We went to the SB so how do we need anything?

by Yardpenalty.com on Feb 17, 2012 12:15 AM EST reply actions  

A list who stays and who goes from a Dolphin fan's perspective:

Goes:
1) Bill Belichick
2) Tom Brady
3) Vince Wilfork
4) Wes Welker
5) Rob Gronkowski

The rest can stay…

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by Finhead83 on Feb 17, 2012 7:13 AM EST reply actions  

HAHA!! LOL.

Lakers and Patriots forever.

by D.S.T. on Feb 17, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Sor, I forgot...

Robert Kraft should go too!

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by Finhead83 on Feb 17, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Can you say, rebuilding? I knew you could.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 17, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry rather...

Just like Miami’s sport teams, I just have trouble finishing things…

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by Finhead83 on Feb 17, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 17, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

And like a certain NY team

I’ll guarantee you’ll be writing complete sentences this year!

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Feb 17, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you're right on that

because I’m not sure they believe Mallett is ready to be Brady’s sole backup. If the right offer came along though, I’m not sure if they’d let him go.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Feb 17, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

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