Coping with Loss: Super Bowl Edition
The last time I wrote one of these was after a loss to the Giants in Week 9. It wasn't fun to write then and it's even less fun to write now.
I'm no miracle worker. If I was, I would have a lot more money and I would be typing this article from a beach somewhere as I sipped some girly tropical drink and adjusted my gut so I tanned evenly and didn't have pale white lines across my stomach that made me look like some weird, out-of-shape version of Freddy Kreuger. I'm under no impression that I have the answers or know much about anything. I also don't think that I'll be able to make anyone feel any better this morning, no matter what I say here. I even debated not even bothering with this article, as I was worried that it might come across as empty and meaningless. But I've had a lot of time to think over the past two days, as I lay awake in bed staring at the ceiling all night, and the truth is that there is still plenty of reasons for optimism around New England - although it may not seem like it at the moment.
What I have to offer is not going to take the pain away. But hopefully I can at least help some of you realize that once we get through this initial hurricane of sadness, there is actually some light on the horizon. A fair number of you expressed optimism in the comments section of yesterday's Fan Notes, and there were some very good points to be made. I've taken some of them, added a few of my own, and come up with six things that might help to get you through what promises to be a long, long offseason.
I figure since it was a slightly bigger loss than the last time, we could use one extra.
We've dealt with worse. This hurts. This hurts bad. And I know some of you disagree with me right now, and I get that. But honestly, this loss isn't anywhere near as awful as it was in 2007. There was a lot at stake here in terms of revenge and getting that 4th ring and putting Tommy B up there alongside Joe Montana, but at the end of the day it's simply impossible for any sporting event to break my heart as bad as Superbowl 42, and this wound is going to heal much faster than the last one did. I know it's hard to imagine now, as the loss is so fresh, but the truth is that this team made an absolutely remarkable run this year, and they did it with a defense held together with safety pins and bubble gum. Once again, we were a drop and yet another crazy catch away from a Super Bowl victory. What that means, in terms of the bigger picture, is that the Pats were two plays away from having 5 rings in 12 years. If two measly plays out of the thousands that have been run since 2001 go the other way, the conversation surrounding this team is markedly different. You can take that stat as some kind of nail in the coffin or insult to injury if you want, but I think that's pretty amazing. This past decade has been an absolute blast to watch, for better or for worse, and I for one am grateful.
The return of the haters. A lot of Patriots fans can't stand the Patriots haters. They are sick and tired of hearing about SpyGate and 18-1 and how Tommy B has gotten soft and how the dynasty is over and all of that other stuff that we've been hearing for the past seven years. And yes, it would have been reeeeaaaaalllly sweet to shut them up for a change with a 4th Lombardi trophy. Man, would that have been great. But you know what? I don't mind the Pats haters at all. For one, there is nothing they can really say at this point that either hasn't been said a million times before or isn't just a modern twist on some old news. And secondly, as long as there are people trolling our message boards and pouring every ounce of their being into hating our team, that means that we are still pretty damn relevant in the grand scheme of things. When people stop getting that sense of smug self-satisfaction from watching the Patriots lose, when they stop making excuses for why this team is so consistently dominant each and every season, when they stop breaking down our wins to illustrate how we just got lucky or got the game handed to us, when an entire nation outside of the New England area wants nothing more than to see this team fail - well then maybe the dynasty will be over. But until then, this team is going to be in the spotlight. And I'm going to love every last second of it. In the words of El Pres over at BarStoolSports, haters gonna hate, Slaters gonna slate.
Core still in place. The vast majority of our offense will be back next year. We're likely to lose BenJarvus Green-Ellis, as I see him getting an offer for more money elsewhere that the Patriots won't be willing to match with so many backs already on the roster. There are a few other guys set to hit the market as well, but none of them are major cogs in this offense (I didn't mention Wes Welker because there is no way he isn't a Patriot next year). Other than Benny, all of the New England skill players will be back, in addition to some others. Brandon Lloyd is on record saying he loves the way Josh McDaniels runs offenses - so seeing him in a Patriots uniform is not out of the question. Our rookie backs all have a year of experience now, and we get a lot of out IR'ed defenders back from injury. We still need to address the defense this offseason (more on that in a minute), but this team is positioned well for 2012 and beyond.
Tom Brady isn't done yet. Buckle up for months and months - and months - of talk about the size of the black mark on Tom Brady's legacy and how he's washed up and how the dynasty is over and how Eli Manning simply has his number. We can try to avoid it, but that would take a complete media blackout until next February, and we all know that's not going to happen. The best thing we can do is embrace the storm of Giants love and Patriots hate that's coming, and hope that it resonates with Tommy B. He was as dejected as I've ever seen him after the Super Bowl, and he's the kind of competitor that won't rest until he has retribution. He still has some good years left, and he's playing as well as he has ever played. New England under Tom Brady hasn't seen it's last deep run in the playoffs - of this I'm certain. Plus, if Tom Brady's career resume is what qualifies as a tainted legacy, sign me up. I'll take two tainted legacies to go, please.
Plenty of draft picks to address the defense. Yes, I know that this is going to be a moot point when we trade those draft picks down and end up taking three tight ends, a quarterback, and a punter with our first five picks, but for now it gives me at least some small semblance of hope that we are in position to get a bona fide pass rusher and a quality safety to start alongside Pat Chung. There is a lot of talent in this draft, which we will all start breaking down soon, and as usual the Patriots are in the drivers seat in terms of picks. New England also has a lot of cap room, much of which will be used to re-sign Wes Welker, but there are some solid free agents on the market this year that I would love to see the Patriots go after: Robert Mathis, John Abraham, Robert Meachem, and Dashon Goldson are all guys to keep our eye on as teams manipulate the salary cap and hand out franchise tags. Goldson is likely to get franchised, but I can see all of the other names I mentioned hitting the open market and they would all look great in a Pats jersey. I know it isn't how things have been done in the past, but as Tom Brady nears the end of his career, Bill Belichick may finally decide to enter "win now" mode and invest heavily in giving Tommy his best shot at one more title run. Probably not, I know - but crazier things have happened.
At least you aren't me. I live in New York City. All of my co-workers are Giants fans. I can't get a cup of coffee right without seeing Eli Manning's ugly face on every newsstand surrounded by a bunch of New York jerkwads in GIants jerseys and hat that this city was oddly lacking about a month ago. My inbox is full of friends asking me if I'm OK and hoping to hear from me soon. My phone is full of text messages from people who I used to think were friends rubbing this one in my face (my favorite so far: "don't worry, buddy. I'll be sure there's room for an 18-1 shirt and an ELI-TE shirt on your coffin when you kill yourself over this loss." With friends like these, eh?). The sad thing is that between those two assaults, I don't know which I hate more. Even worse, the Giants parade will be going by directly under my window at work and the masses are already starting to assemble outside of my office. I am quickly realizing that there are few beings more insufferable on this planet than New Yorkers after a championship. And it's only just beginning. I have to live here through an entire offseason of reminders that the Giants beat the Pats three straight times, two of which were in the Super Bowl, and how Eli Manning is a better quarterback than Tommy B (he isn't, we all know. But try telling that to these knuckleheads). I have no outlet of escape, no matter where I go or what I do. Hopefully most of you live elsewhere, where you have the option of turning away in disgust when push comes to shove. I don't. Be grateful that you aren't me. I'm right behind enemy lines and I have a massive target on my back that isn't going anywhere for a looooong time.
At least none of us are Jets fans. Never mind. That one is mean. And a little too easy.
We're going to be okay. We are. The beautiful pain of being a sports fan is that, when it comes to championships, your team is going to be out of it more often than it is going to be in it. But still, we all forge ahead.
We lost the Super Bowl. We had it right there, but we couldn't capitalize and New York could. There's no way around it. The only thing to do here is take it on the chin, heal from it, and come back next year as fired up as ever. I'm as proud to be a Patriots fan today as I was on Sunday morning. I'm as proud to be a fan as I was when I was 11 years old and New England drafted some tall pale guy named Drew Bledsoe out of Washington. Nothing is going to change that. I'm going to be right here posting all offseason, and I'm going to be good and hydrated in the stands next fall for New England's home opener. I still have an entire lifetime of cheering for this team ahead of me, and while the rules of this league are such that the Pats aren't going to be good forever, they are damn good right now, and I'm going to take this time I've been given and run with it - for better or worse.
To be honest, I'm already a little less depressed than I was yesterday. At this rate, I'll be able to eat solid food again by Memorial Day, and by the time Opening Day comes around in September, I'll be right as rain.
Nobody likes to lose. But you know what sucks more than losing?
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Here's something I'd like to see a post about
There are no more great rivalries!
The Steelers had one with us but it was pretty one-sided mostly. Now, they’re old and on the downturn.
The Ravens seem to really dislike us but they are also getting older. After all, they’ve only beat us once in the last nine years as Tom Brady said.
The Jets were a rivalry, but a short-lived one. 2009 and 2010 were the heyday years. It is now dormant as we crushed them twice and then watched them completely implode. And we no longer have to bear the Jets fans bragging about how they’ve gone to the AFC championship twice.
We won it.
The Giants may be our greatest rivalry right now. They beat us the last three times. Each time, a close, classic finish, game. Giants fans may not agree, but for me, the Giants are number one.
But yeah, I can’t see anyone else. The Broncos are friendly. The Raiders are inept. The Chargers are confused. The Colts are rebuilding. Manning is gone. The Jets are picking up the pieces after the apocalypse. The Ravens are figuring out how to make their defense younger and their offense better. The Steelers are trying to cut people and rebuild. The Dolphins are far from contenders.
In short, we have a wide open path back to the Super Bowl, guys.
And there are no AFC rivalries still alive right now. Maybe a few are dormant. But none that are full-blown.
DISCLAIMER: If Peyton goes to NYJ or MIA, everything changes.
Lakers and Patriots forever.
Kind of agree, kind of disagree
the Giants are our biggest rivals, and have been since 2007 IMO. With that said I still consider the Colts our rivals, and will until we’ve piled it on for 10+ years to get revenge for 2006. With the Jets, its like a team of 10 year olds vs a team of highschoolers, theres not going to be much of a contest, but we have to play em twice a year. Other then that nobody matters.
Oh my god a floor zombie! Oh wait, thats you
- Toby Turner
by New Century Silver on Feb 7, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
You never really will get the chance to get true revenge for 2006
That rivalry was built on the QBs. Peyton is gone. The Colts will no longer be a real rival. You guys won in 2007 (and that was a huge win), but haven’t met in the playoffs since.
EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!
Oh, we could stomp on Luck
Or a different team Peyton in the playoffs, and I think it would suffice
"These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I think we have to concede the Giants have owned the Pats when it really counts
The Pats and Giants only play each other every 4 years, unless they meet in the Superbowl, and the chances of that happening a THIRD time before either Brady, Belichick, or Coughlin retire are extremely low. Tough to have a rivalry when you don’t see each other for 4 years
Maybe some guys on the Steelers are getting up there
but they have done a great job of bringing guys up. Good young receivers, some linebackers are stepping up. If the QB’s ankle is not tweaked, they were gonna be in it, and even with the injury they were one of the better teams. I don’t see them going anywhere, especially if they can find a quality running back(mendenhall will be coming back from a knee)somehwere. I see them and the Ravens as coming back strong next year, and some other team will improve. Maybe KC, maybe the Chargers finally get it going, and certainly Houston looks very good. I will be surprised if the Andrew Luck led Colt’s are going to do much, at least in year one. We’ll see about the Jets, still a good D, and they could make some moves as well.
We’re a lot worse off on defense than offense. On offense, we have three potentially great receivers all under 25, Miller is only 29, and Saunders has the potential to be a Gronk/Graham type td (not saying he’s on that level, but he could be if developed properly)
We do have some replacements in place for some defensive players, but…….
As far as RB…man…I am always so conflicted and torn when it comes to Mendenhall….
Redman is like a cult hero, and he has produced 95% of the time he’s been called on, but I don’t know that he’s a starter..
Anyway, yeah.. just thought I’d add a little to your comment from a Steeler fan perspective
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Hard to have a rivalry
when you play them every 4 years, unless you meet them in the Superbowl
So with the 4 year trend, the next rematch should be 2015-16?
I welcome the haters...
Pile it on. The only reason people hate on the Pats is because they’ve been so good for so long. When the haters go away, that’s when we know this dynasty has truly ended. Keep hate alive, I say. I don’t want the Pats to be one of those franchises everybody feels sorry for.
"If you know how to cheat, start now." - Earl Weaver
Love the haterade.
Brady and co. have all offseason to stew in the haterade and hopefully we’ll see some real fireworks out of this team next season.
Completely true. Nobody hated us in 2001. We were the adorable, scrappy underdog.
The Bills went four straight years to the Super Bowl – and lost. They were the pride of the AFC East – the top dog, and we’ll were their doormat.
Now nobody outside of Buffalo talks about the Bills, and Pats hating has never been more popular. They’ve been talking about the end of the dynasty for years. In fact, as one Chiefs fan put it, “Rebuilding, hell, you were just reloading!”
I honestly thought we were a year from going to the Super Bowl anyway. If we went that far with that many holes, just think what we can do with all the pieces in place.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 7, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Side note
Does anyone else still feel sad for Bills fans losing four straight Super Bowls? I mean, put that in perspective, what if we had lost 5 Super Bowls these past 10 years instead of winning 3 of them? I’m not sure I could continue watching football, now imagine those 5 losses were followed by 20 years of floundering ineptitude like poor Buffalo?
We should be at least thankful for what we’ve had. My dad has been a Pats fan since day 1 when they were the Boston Patriots, he used to go to games in the 70s that were far from sellouts. He watched 1985 in horror, I remember 1997 very well, more horror, but then 2001, I was also with him, one of the happiest moments of his life, 40 years of watching this team lose and they had finally won. He actually said “I can die happy now” after that. But they didn’t stop, they won 2 more. Sure neither of us are happy about these two losses, but god, we used to be the “Patsies” to everyone. A pack of losers forever. Not anymore. We’ve played well for nearly 20 years now, the last 10 being outstanding.
Thank you, Robert Kraft.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 7, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
+1
One thing that DOES irk me about haters is when they step on Kraft – the morons don’t realize how much they owe to his efforts that we even HAD a season this last year.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
A lot of people don't tune in until the playoffs.
Off-season this place is a ghost town, Pre-season the die-hards are coming back, regular season the action hounds are back, but post season is when all rest come out of the woodwork.
The wake up, spout off, and then crawl back into their little hole until next January. They have no idea what happened in between, nor do they care.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 8, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed - Thank You to the Krafts and the Patriot Team
My first post here on the Pulpit…
I’m grateful to the Kraft family for making the Patriots the team they are today, and to the team itself for being the pride of the NFL.
It was a great run this year, and even though New England fell just short of their goal, dedicating their season to Myra Kraft will always be recognized as one of the classiest things that any team – professional or otherwise – can do.
Thank you to Robert, Myra, all the Krafts, and to ALL those who make what happens on the field possible.
by MileHighPatsFan on Feb 11, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome aboard!
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 13, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
I'm a Braves fan
I know all too well the feeling of making the World Series and not winning. 14 Straight Division Titles, 5 NL Pennants, and only 1 World Series title. Talk about moments of frustration.
by cmdpsu15 on Feb 7, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ouch
Yeah, I always commented about the Braves playoff wipeouts, so crazy this happens to teams repeatedly, players and coaches must develop collective mental blocks toward postseason winning. I feel bad for you guys too, you should have at least gotten 2 WS wins out of all that.
In baseball, I’m a Blue Jays fan so my team beat your Braves once, had one more victory year and then fell into 20 year dirt nap (still asleep btw). I guess it’s all relative though, I’d have loved to see the Blue Jays make the playoffs at least once since 1993 while your Braves did so regularly and thus I envied them.
Nice to see another Jays fan :)
It’s hard to compare though, because the Jays haven’t even come close since ‘93 (or at least since the 94’ wiped out season). It’s not as heartbreaking when your team is done mid-season
by CanadianPatriotsFan on Feb 8, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I've always had a spot of sympathy for both the Jim Kelly Bills and the Tarkenton Vikes
for reaching the SB so many times and coming up short. Those teams do not get the respect they deserve.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
Thats the thing, though
the thought of haters sure didn’t motivate Welker/Henandez to catch that pass. Belichick tries to keep them away from the media, saying things are never as bad or as good as the media makes them look. I don’t think it has much of an impact.
Oh my god a floor zombie! Oh wait, thats you
- Toby Turner
by New Century Silver on Feb 7, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt Welker missed it because he wasn't motivated.
More like it was poorly thrown, he was roating 270° to get to it while jumping and diving and he just didn’t get the right grip on it.
Herndo was probably trying too hard and forgot fundamentals like looking the ball into your hand. He turned his head to see where he was going because he wanted to make a play.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 7, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
It was a tough play - both players would probably say it was their fault
Brady probably would say he could have made a better throw. Welker would say he makes that catch 99 times out of a 100.
For me, too much is made of that play.
Yes, it probably would have sealed the win. But for me, the thing that loomed much bigger were the mental errors to start the game – the safety and the 12 men on the field. That spotted the Giants 9 points.
The more I think about it, Bellichik called a great game plan – the players just made key execution errors combined with some really un-lucky bounces of the ball (punt bounces and fumbles ALL went to the Giant’s favor all day) . Those two errors cost 9 points. We then ran off 17 un-answered points. So that’s not BB being out-coached. We then gave up field goals instead of TDs on those ‘bend-but-don’t break drives’ – hell we created a fumble but it just didn’t bounce toward us.
Even the Welker ‘drop’ – that was the right play to ice the game. We just couldn’t execute.
Lotsa things besides that play just didn’t go right. Heck, if Brady gets just a little more on it on the throw to Gronk down field off the scramble – if he overthrows it instead of underthrows it – that would have been an easy 6. But can I blame Brady? Hard to when he’s making that throw scrambling out of broken protection and not able to step into the throw. It’s a team game. Team loss.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
by mmmmm on Feb 8, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
also love the haters
if anyone wants to feel better about themselves, go listen to Rob Parker on espn. the guy is the dumbest, blindest, arrogant waste of a man who hates the pats more than ANYTHING.
at the beginning of the year, he said the pats were going 9-7. during the playoffs, he picked the pats to lose every game. finally they lose won, and he’s incredulous as to the fact that they are vegas favorites again next year. the guy’s haterade is so unbelievable, it’s hilarious. he basically thinks tom brady is brady quinn.
haters = jealousy. period. that’s it. they have to nitpick because the pats have been so successful. you guys do realize that the pats went 14-2 and 13-3 with a bandaid defense, no receivers, a 3rd string center, while in the process of rebuilding, after losing some of the best defensive players of our generation (mcginest, vrabel, bruschi, seymour, harrison, law)?? if brady is healthy, not only are we better next year, this team will get better each year from here on out until brady retires. the AFC is so wide open for the pats as the best teams (ravens/steelers/colts) are all about experience the turnover the pats did 3 years ago.
The draft
. Yes, I know that this is going to be a moot point when we trade those draft picks down and end up taking three tight ends, a quarterback, and a punter with our first five picks, but for now it gives me at least some small semblance of hope
This made me laugh. Every year I think “ok, here we go, some line backers, some CBs a safety!” Then we draft offensive linemen, backup QBs and extra tight ends. I hope McDaniels at least exerts enough influence to point us toward a 6’5" receiver with good hands and that maybe, just maybe, BB sees the value in having one solid CB out there.
In fairness
Those OLs have been pretty good,and the TEs have been great.
Oklahoma State will beat LSU in the National Title game by more than 7 points.
Easy Schedule
The NFL put out the match up list a few days ago. The Patriots play these teams next season…
Home: Buffalo Bills, Miami Dolphins, New York Jets, Houston Texans, Indianapolis Colts, Denver Broncos, Arizona Cardinals, San Francisco 49ers
Away: Buffalo Bills, Miami Dolphins, New York Jets, Jacksonville Jaguars, Tennessee Titans, Baltimore Ravens, St. Louis Rams, Seattle Seahawks
Now, I’m no expert, but it looks like we have another really easy schedule… the only difficult match ups are probably the Ravens, the Texans, the 49ers, and maybe we split with the Jets….if we lost all those hard looking games we’d still be 12-4! Thats plenty good for another playoff run.
We've had an easier schedule last season. (The season that just ended btw)
Pretty much we were supposed to lose to the Steelers…aside from that, all of those losses were capable of being wins, and wins were supposed to be wins.
But…I’m now more excited than ever, to finally watch the Pats play a few playoff-caliber teams (Ravens, Texans, 49ers). Give a beating to the Jets.
Man, @ARZ would have been a lot tougher (that place is a good HFA)
especially when Peyton’s lacing it up there.
EVH+DLR=BFFs........ God I Hope So!!
Don't overlook
Away game in Seattle. That place is probably top 3 worst places to play, along with Arrowhead and Superdome
by ishan.majumdar on Feb 7, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Good point
but that would be better for us than if Peyton goes to either the Jets or Miami – where we’d have to play him twice.
If I’m Manning, I’d choose Seattle though – they have a great surrounding core of young talent and a weaker division to play in.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
This last year looks like an easier schedule in the rear-view mirror
but when it came out, with games against the Colts, Eagles, Dallas, Jets, Steelers, Giants, etc. – it looked much tougher than it looks ‘after the fact’.
So based on the bizarre, randomness that is the Typical NFL Season™, I’m hesitant to anticipate next year’s schedule to be easy or hard. It just is.
The NFL is so whack with parity and so unpredictable. It kinda makes what BB has been able to achieve so much more impressive.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
Call me a Debbie Downer if you will
I think this is it. I’m coming to terms with the reasonable assumption that Tommy might not ever get another ring. Its tough to get to the SB two years in a row, and should we not get there next year, Tom will be 36 and another full season of wear-and-tear.
Call me a pessemist, sure, but if he is going to get another ring it’s going to need to be within a couple years or I don’t see it happening.
I’m no hater, I’m as (border line unhealthy) obsessed with this team and TB12 as everyone here. I’m just coming to terms.
by BAMF. on Feb 7, 2012 2:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
You might be right.
As long as he’s playing, though, there’s a chance. Once he hangs up the cleats, we’ll count the rings.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 7, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Even if TBs level of play starts to decline
a) it has a looong way to fall, considering the level at which he played this year and
b) his core cast of tools ((TEs, RBs, OL) is still relatively young and may not yet have peaked collectively. We are only old at WR. Imagine if they can add a true deep threat to complement what they have and
b) there is reason to believe the defense will get better over the next few years. It is dominated by very young players, clearly played much better over the last half-dozen games and is only missing a couple of key pieces to turn it into a top defense and
c) we have a ton of draft picks again …
What all this means is that while Tom is, indeed, getting older. The team around him is mostly young and getting better.
John Elway didn’t achieve his SuperBowl success until he was way past his prime – because his team finally peaked around him.
So while it is almost a complete crap shoot to make it to the SB in any year, the Patriots at least should be as strong a contender to do so as any team over the next few years.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
oops - just realized I have (b) twice .... sigh ...
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
There are very good reasons for that:
First, the shock of the Super Bowl hasn’t worn off.
b) You’re probably not getting enough sleep.
iii) This is just a sports blog and double checking your work is not a priority.
4) b is a quality letter and worth repeating as in bee zero zero bee zee.
E) It raises awareness for stutterers and dyslexics (who might think the b is actually a d, but in the wrong order).
All in all, it is very well done.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, while some people need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 8, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
I'm expecting four more years
of playoff contention. Until he’s retired, I’ll be rooting for rings.
"These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
Long time Giant fan here
First of all I have nothing but respect for the Patriots organization, most old time Giant fans feel the same becasue we all love Coach Billichick and know he is a genius, Coach is a huge part of our history too.
Please don’t treat us like Jet’s fans we actually understand what kind of success you guys have had and realize it takes more than talking about the Super Bowl to win one. Although we have won three in a row on you, every game has come down to the last drive and could have gone either way.
I am with you on the rivalry, wish we could play more often. Maybe we could swap you guys for the skins or Eagles bring you to the NFC East that would be somthing.
Anyway guys, really enjoyed chatting with a lot of you and although we won it was a little bittersweet, becasue I always root for Coach to do well except when he playes us of course.
Hahah swap the Eagles and/or Skins
Take us and the Jets and that’ll be a pretty sick rivalry in the NFC East, with those Cowboys!
Thanks Giant fan. Great game. This loss is still bitter to us, but go and celebrate your championship.
I feel the same, Alec
2007’08 was a punch in the gut. A dark cloud that festered throughout my life for many moons after that dark day. Maybe it’s maturity, maybe a little perspective, whatever the case, I am moving in form this one with just a hint of sadness, but yet a feeling of being proud of this franchise, and this team in particular. Ihedigbo reminded me of what a class act is when he was asked about the dropped balls and said, “we win as a team, we lose as a team”.
Part if it is the stark difference between those seasons, 18-0, the pressure, the cloud of overhyped rules violations and taints. Nah, this year was amazing, especially after seeing at times a defense that could not get solidified and consistent on a weekly basis for most of the year. But this team was resilient, mentally tough, and we knew they were gonna give it their all till the final whistle, and really, that to me is the most important thing. Do I want another ring, hell yeah, but I at least take heart in knowing that we are fielding a team of good character guys who are still reaching their peak.
That’s another huge difference between this year and the last Bowl. We have a great core of young players on the rise. After ‘08, it really was the end of an era for Harrison, Bruschi, Vrabel, Seymour, McGinest, and others and we went into rebuilding mode. This year we are in reloading mode, and guys like Chung, Spikes, Love, Mayo, Fletcher, NInk, Deaderick, Pryor, Solder, Cannon, Vereen, Ridley, Gronk, Herndo, Slater, Koutivides, and more, are still growing, still yet to play their best ball. We all know where we have areas that need to be strengthened, but I am confident they will be, partially with the guys we already have, and some new faces.
You can’t ever take a trip the Bowl for granted, this loss hurts, and it will not be any easier, but it sure is a fine feeling to know we got BB, and #12, and that’s always gonna be a great place to start, for as long as that can go.
Also, when it comes to the haters, I think something to keep in mind is not letting oneself sink to their level. The hate is a projection of their own inner demons and entanglements, and if they have nothing better to do then lash out with negativity, well, for me it’s like water off a duck’s back, not worth my time or energy to get engaged with that.
And yes,
I really feel for you. It probably helps, a lot, that I am far away from NYC. That would be tough, I don’t envy you there. Just remember, this too shall pass.
I will deal with this loss by buying a new pats jersey new Brady jersey or one of the Boston te or mayo?
by alweezy61 on Feb 7, 2012 4:16 PM EST via Android app reply actions
To celebrate the bandaid and safety pin nature of the season,
I would suggest getting Edelman’s jersey.
"Carlos, this is a STUPID problem to have. But, it is a problem, nonetheless" - Johnny Tapia
by Dark_Knight5811 on Feb 7, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm I would wear it proudly… I saw a chung one he played well. I have an idea Mario Manningham is a fa why not sign him can’t beat em delpeat them :)
by alweezy61 on Feb 7, 2012 9:07 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
starting to come to grips with the fact that the Pats overachieved this year
and we’re brilliantly set up for the future, as long as Brady can stay healthy
Even without Brady
Belichick has proved he can get the most out of what he has.
"These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm not sure this is the end, but I do want to see BB come out and try and destroy the rest of the NFL
I don’t care what it takes, but bring in some elite players, even on mercenary contracts. Brady has two years of elite production left, and the trend is downward. He needs to stop building for the future, and start just loading up for the present. There is a two year window right now. Brady, the TEs, young Running backs, some young talent on defense, all of it begins to fall apart after 2013. We have the draft picks, we have the cap room. There are some good young receivers available. The defensive side is a little barren, but there is some talent in the draft.
For the record, I like the build for the future philosophy, but Brady has carried untalented teams for the last three years as best he can. Belichick owes it to him to surround him with as much elite talent (a la 2007) as possible. This was always the third year of rebuilding (or reloading, as it turns out). When you think about it, its amazing what the team was able to achieve these past two years. But Brady deserves another ring, so we should get him the talent he needs. I don’t believe the window is closing, unless Brady suffers another catastrophic injury. In fact, I think its opening. Get the talent, and let Brady lead this team to a Championship. I understand his emphasis on value, but it doesn’t matter anymore.
It’s time to stop screwing around. It’s time to reload and destroy the NFL. We have the picks, the money, and the will. Most importantly, we have the greatest QB and Coach of all time. It’s time to prove it.
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