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Possible Patriots: Kawann Short, DT Purdue

Often we have talked about the secondary and WR spots here. Here is where we talk about another position of need: a DT next to Wilfork that can rush up the middle. The most talked about DT to fill in this role is DT Kawann SHort, who should more than likely be available at the Patriots 29th pick, though when the combine comes he could rise up to the top 25.

Kawann Short, 6'3" 308 lbs. DT Purdue

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via maizeandgoblue.com


Measurable wise, he has the ideal height, weight, and long arm length (33 3/4 inch.) you want in a 4-3 DT. He has a 40 time of 5.16, which is good for a DT (but this is pre-combine. Who knows, maybe he'll be even better at the 40. Although acceleration would be a better thing to look for). Here are some things I'm going to be addressing in this post:

  1. Stats - To get a good idea of the player, you will need to see his on paper production vs. certain teams. You will need to see if he is consistent as well.
  2. Look at surrounding players - Need to see who he has around him. If his surrounding teammates are not that great, than maybe he is better than you think. If they are really good? Maybe Short is not as great as we may expect.
  3. Video - After looking at the combined stats and surrounding players, look at the video to shed some more light on Short. Maybe you see him getting a lot of attention, and his teammates are making plays. Maybe you see him dominate at times, but is silent in others. Does he look good against the run? How about pass rushing? What certain techniques is he playing and how is he doing?
  4. Profile - Look at a profile of Short, and see if it reflects everything on here. Is what the guy says shown in the video and stats?

1) Stats from CFB

Forgive me, for I would need to post four different stats here.

Tackles (2012)

DateOpponentSurfaceResultSoloAssistedTotal
09/01/12 Eastern Ky. Grass W 48-6 1 0 1
09/08/12 @ 4 Notre Dame Grass L 17-20 4 0 4
09/15/12 Eastern Mich. Grass W 54-16 1 0 1
09/29/12 Marshall Grass W 51-41 3 0 3
10/06/12 24 Michigan Grass L 13-44 6 2 8
10/13/12 Wisconsin Grass L 14-38 3 0 3
10/20/12 @ 3 Ohio St. Turf L 22-29 3 0 3
10/27/12 @ Minnesota Turf L 28-44 1 1 2
11/03/12 Penn St. Grass L 9-34 1 0 1
11/10/12 @ Iowa Turf W 27-24 5 1 6
11/17/12 @ Illinois Turf W 20-17 3 1 4
11/24/12 Indiana Grass W 56-35 3 3 6
01/01/13 + Oklahoma St. Grass L 14-58 1 0 1
Totals 35 8 43
@ : Away, + : Neutral Site

Tackles for Loss (2012)

DateOpponentSurfaceResultTFLTFL Yards
09/01/12 Eastern Ky. Grass W 48-6 1.0 4
09/08/12 @ 4 Notre Dame Grass L 17-20 2.0 18
09/15/12 Eastern Mich. Grass W 54-16 1.0 3
09/29/12 Marshall Grass W 51-41 3.0 13
10/06/12 24 Michigan Grass L 13-44 1.0 1
10/13/12 Wisconsin Grass L 14-38 1.0 2
10/20/12 @ 3 Ohio St. Turf L 22-29 0.0 0
10/27/12 @ Minnesota Turf L 28-44 0.0 0
11/03/12 Penn St. Grass L 9-34 0.0 0
11/10/12 @ Iowa Turf W 27-24 4.0 15
11/17/12 @ Illinois Turf W 20-17 1.0 5
11/24/12 Indiana Grass W 56-35 0.5 1
01/01/13 + Oklahoma St. Grass L 14-58 1.0 12
Totals 15.5 74
@ : Away, + : Neutral Site

Sack (2012)

DateOpponentSurfaceResultSacksSack Yards
09/01/12 Eastern Ky. Grass W 48-6 1.0 4
09/08/12 @ 4 Notre Dame Grass L 17-20 2.0 18
09/15/12 Eastern Mich. Grass W 54-16 0.0 0
09/29/12 Marshall Grass W 51-41 1.0 6
10/06/12 24 Michigan Grass L 13-44 0.0 0
10/13/12 Wisconsin Grass L 14-38 0.0 0
10/20/12 @ 3 Ohio St. Turf L 22-29 0.0 0
10/27/12 @ Minnesota Turf L 28-44 0.0 0
11/03/12 Penn St. Grass L 9-34 0.0 0
11/10/12 @ Iowa Turf W 27-24 1.0 10
11/17/12 @ Illinois Turf W 20-17 1.0 5
11/24/12 Indiana Grass W 56-35 0.0 0
01/01/13 + Oklahoma St. Grass L 14-58 1.0 12
Totals 7.0 55
@ : Away, + : Neutral Site

Misc. Defense (2012)

DateOpponentSurfaceResultPasses Broken UpQB HurriesFumbles ForcedKicks/Punts Blocked
09/01/12 Eastern Ky. Grass W 48-6 0 0 0 2
09/08/12 @ 4 Notre Dame Grass L 17-20 0 0 0 0
09/15/12 Eastern Mich. Grass W 54-16 0 0 0 0
09/29/12 Marshall Grass W 51-41 1 0 1 1
10/06/12 24 Michigan Grass L 13-44 1 0 0 0
10/13/12 Wisconsin Grass L 14-38 0 0 0 1
10/20/12 @ 3 Ohio St. Turf L 22-29 0 0 0 0
10/27/12 @ Minnesota Turf L 28-44 0 0 0 0
11/03/12 Penn St. Grass L 9-34 1 0 0 0
11/10/12 @ Iowa Turf W 27-24 0 0 0 0
11/17/12 @ Illinois Turf W 20-17 1 0 0 0
11/24/12 Indiana Grass W 56-35 0 0 0 0
01/01/13 + Oklahoma St. Grass L 14-58 0 0 0 0
Totals 4 0 1 4
@ : Away, + : Neutral Site

  • 43 (35 solo) total tackles is a good amount for a DT. Consider the ranked teams here: 4 Notre Dame (4 total tackles, 2 tackles for loss, 2 sacks), 24 Michigan (8 total tackles, 1 tackles for loss, 1 pass broken up), 3 Ohio State (3 total tackles). He did pretty good here. Two of those games he had good production, but the game against Ohio State he had decent production. You can argue that 3 tackles is good enough for a DT though I suppose.
  • Had 8/13 games with 3 or more tackles. Very nice.
  • 6/13 games with a sack or more. Pretty good I guess. Only 1 game where he had 2 or more sacks (1 game)
  • Taking into account that at least 6 games counts as a tackle for loss for the sack stat above. Short has 9 games with a tackle for loss or more. Only 3 games he has 2 or more tackles for loss though.
  • Only 4 games with a pass breakup. 1 game with 1 pass breakup against a ranked team. So he is not too consistent with that.
  • 4 blocked kicks. 2 in one game though. Still it shows that he is at least capable of blocking a kick, as well as even getting a pass breakup in a way..
So what do these stats tell me? He can get tackles, and get the occasional sack. Against ranked teams, he did good, but not great, but he only played against 3 ranked teams. Though his competition? Notre Dame (12-1), Eastern Michigan (2-10), Marshall (5-7), Michigan (8-5), Wisconsin (8-4), Ohio State (13-0), Penn State (8-4), Iowa (4-8), Illinois (2-10), Indiana (4-8), Oklahoma (8-5). Decent. It's all right. 6/12 had over .500 records. I wouldn't say his competition was bad though.
This also shows me some inconsistency.
Looking his 2011 stats though, he does consistently get these kind of stats it seems. High tackles, high tackles for loss, good amount of sacks.

2) Surrounding Players (Starting)

Ryan Isaac, DE: 14 total tackles (???), 2 passes broken up, 1 QB hurry

  • He did not start midseason. This guy is not that great at all it seems. lol
Ryan Russel, DE: 37 total tackles (29 solo), 8.5 tackles for loss, 4 sacks, 1 pass broken up, 1 QB hurry
  • Russel looks good. Could it be because of Short mostly?
Bruce Gaston, DT: 28 total tackles (19 solo), 5.5 tackles for loss, 1 QB hurry, 2 forced fumbles
  • Not bad.
So far Short and DE Russel were the only players getting good production. When watching the video, is Short benefitting from his surrounding players? Or are teams focusing more on Short and Short is beating them, AND also the other guys are benefitting from Short?

3) Video

Kawann Short vs Notre Dame 2012 (via JmpasqDraftjedi)

  • Shows good use of his arms and hands (and he is active with them)
  • Plays from the 0, 1, 2, and 3 techniques. Shows more success outside of the 0 technique, but played at the 0 technique more often it looks like in this vid (perhaps about the same).
  • Often doubled. Has success sometimes, other times not so much.
  • Doesn't show a lot of strength. Looks like he prefers to use his arms and side to side speed to try and get around the OL instead of shoving the OL aside (he seems to have strength, but doesn't use it).
  • Moves along the DL pretty well.

Kawann Short vs. Iowa (2012) (via Mario Clavel)

  • I think I realized he needs more leverage. Maybe it's not just strength, but just using proper leverage and use of his long arms. It seems he plays strait at times, and therefore has to rely on his arms and side to side footwork to get around the OL.
  • Inconsistent burst off the snap. Sometimes at the snap, he is sudden and knock the OL back. Sometimes he is a tad slow.
  • Plays mostly 2 and 3 techniques here, and doing better imo.
  • Still seems like he has trouble against double teams
  • Does better when asked to just penetrate the gap in 2 and 3 techniques
Overall thoughts? I think Short needs more work on his leverage and add a bit more strength. He has frequent use of hands, and can move well. Doesn't look good against double teams, but if he is to play next to Wilfork, perhaps he'll get favorable macthups and is asked to rush the middle. As of now, he seems like a good role player, but not an elite player. With some tuning up, he could be what we want him to be.
And I know everyone will bring up the Chandler Jones effect. How we all thought he would be a situational pass rusher and that he is a raw player. But we all knew that Chandler had amazing upside. Short has really good upside, but not like Chandler has. He is not an athletic freak that Chandler is.
Pro Potential: Kyle WIlliams
The worst that he can be?: Brandon Deadrick

Profile

Here is a profile from CBS Draft. You can reflect upon it after you watch the video, and read my thoughts on it. Also, don't be afraid to give your own thoughts on the videos as well.

Overview

Trying to become the next first round Boilermaker, Short has started at Purdue since his freshman season and has tallied 33.5 tackles for loss over his career. He enters the 2012 season as arguably the Big Ten's No. 1 senior NFL prospect.

Short was a three-star prep recruit out of the Chicago area and committed to Purdue prior to his senior year in high school. After redshirting in 2008, he started every game as a freshman and sophomore, combining for 12.5 tackles for loss and 6.0 sacks.

Short had his best season as a junior last season, setting career-bests with 54 tackles, 17.0 tackles for loss and 6.5 sacks, earning First Team All-Big Ten and team MVP honors.

He considered leaving school a year early, but was given a third-round grade by the NFL Draft Advisory Board.

"I felt like if I had another year, I could develop and become a power player," he told ESPN. "Get my body right, get in better shape and learn the game more. That's just motivation to make me strive even harder this year."

Short squats more than 600 pounds and bench presses in the 400s (EDITOR'S NOTE: So it seems like a leverage issue from the vids?).

"He's playing harder on a more consistent basis right now than he was this time last year," Purdue coach Danny Hope said. "He runs to the ball better, pushes himself more and dominates the line of scrimmage more consistently. He's always been able to dominate some; on any given play, Kawann would show up and make a big play. "But now he's showing up more in practice. If he continues at the pace he's going and gets himself in great shape, he can be a dominant player at his position in our league and on a national level."

Analysis

Short is a large human being with a huge wingspan, using his long arms to bat down passes (11 pass break-ups) and make plays on special teams (4 blocked kicks).

Short can be an immovable object in the middle of the field when he plays disciplined and generates power from his lower body. However, he too often gives streaky effort and doesn't consistently play with leverage (EDITOR'S NOTE: Hah!).

Short sees a lot of double-teams, but scouts want to see more of a mean streak and less passiveness. He has been productive over his first three seasons in West Lafayette, but there is also some negative game tape out there on him. And while Short will still be an attractive pro prospect because of his natural size and tools, he needs to prove he can be consistently more than just a plugging space-eater to cement his top-50 status.

--Rob Rang

What are your thoughts on Short? Should the Pats get him? Is there any other player you want me to take a look at as a possible Patriot?

The views expressed in these FanPosts are not necessarily those of the writers or SBNation.

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