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Stampede Blue: Pats = Nazis

Let's start with the brief, but apparently necessary, reminder that we're talking about sports teams here.  We're not talking about world events, like whether there is or is not such an ideology as "islamofascism."  We're not talking about torture or detentions.  Heck, we're not even talking about petty crime.

We're talking about a game.  Sure, it's a game that has been elevated to a mult-million dollar a year industry.  It generates a lot of passion.  But, essentially, it's a game.  It should be fun to follow.  Fun, as in "light-hearted."  Perhaps even exhilarating.  

Certainly, it can be frustrating.

One thing it most assuredly isn't is genocide.

Apparently, though, if you're a Colts Fan it's at least that bad.

Apparently, the Patriots are just like the Nazi's.

Let's ignore for the moment that Belicheck is anything but a "glory whore" as one bright Blue commenter claims.  In fact, let's just assume that everything people say about him is true, that the Pat's are the only team in the league to "cheat," that the franchise cares only about winning (that's right, ignore everything the Krafts and the players do in their communities), that they're the blackguard of the NFL.  Running up the score and crapping on the game.

So they're Nazi's?  Are you seriously going there?  Even as a joke -- especially as a joke -- this is sick.

I'm not sure which is more disturbing: the fact that someone actually made this comparison, or the fact that it's been received so positively over at "Stampede Blue."  

I credit the lone observer who notes that Godwin's Law says that whomever follows the degeneration of an argument down to the point where they invoke the Nazis is, ipso facto, the loser of that argument.  That person also noted that this argument actually started with that observation.

Well, I suggest we stop it.  Right there.  I can't think of a more inappropriate way to talk about a game.  I'd like to thank the media, notably Gregg Easterbrook and Indy local Bob Kravitz, for helping to make such comparisons more acceptable to the public by continuing to put "evil" and "Patriots" in the same sentence.  

Don't Easterbrook and Kravitz know that irony, sarcasm and satire are just big, scary words to midwesterners?  There simply aren't very many people in Indiana who know you're using hyperbole.  (I know what you guys are thinking out there in hoosierland: "Hyperbole?  Is that French?  He's un-American!!")

Let's keep it simple.  And let's try to remember: this is a game.  Not the apocalypse.

UPDATE: Apparently, they just don't get it. Yes, I know it was a joke. No, it isn't really funny. No, not even a little. Sorry.

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Funny...
...is calling them the bad guys in the Smurfs, or Belichick Dr. Doom, (would Bruschi be Mr. Fantastic with his rubbery like powers?)

Funny is not calling them Nazis, who killed, literally, millions upon millions of people because they weren't the 'correct' people. That's not funny, it's sad, and it's disturbing that so many people over on Stampede Blue think it's anywhere near close to being funny.

by DanieXJ on Oct 30, 2007 6:33 PM EDT   0 recs

Not to mention...
...that it denigrates the suffering of my grandparents and the murder of their entire families.

I'm not a violent person by nature, but the last person who said to my face the kinds of things those idiots are joking about lost a few teeth.

by RSNexile on Oct 30, 2007 6:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

By the way...
...since I know some of those idiots will read this, no, it's not just about my family. It's about the millions of people whose suffering and deaths you think are just a joke.

I'd only have to explain that to the idiots, obviously.

by RSNexile on Oct 30, 2007 6:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You're an idiot
I hope for your sake you never find out what real Nazis are like, but if you don't understand why the "joke" was so offensive, you're an idiot. And if tommasse didn't have rules against stronger language, I'd tell you what I really think of you.

by RSNexile on Oct 30, 2007 8:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i don't think that was the point.
I believe you are discussing the "final solution" which nobody jokes about, and they certainly weren't. I believe they were making a comparison to the political party's global expansionist schemes. More like the Nazi's were "evil" and so are the Pats, kind of thing. You are sort of twisting it out of context I think.....

by InappropriateNameChanged01 on Oct 30, 2007 7:03 PM EDT   0 recs

Exhibit #2
The first exhibit, of course, being the "jokes."

As if we didn't already know you were an idiot, you come in here with that weak excuse.

Let's try it another way so that even our dumbest readers can get it:

Do you have a mother? A sister? A wife or girlfriend? A daughter? Suppose someone raped her, and people here started "joking" about how the Patriots were going to make the Colts bend over and forcibly have their way with them on Sunday. Because it would just be so funny to rape the victims.

Did you lose anyone on 9/11? Suppose we joked here about how the Colts were "evil" just like Osama bin Laden. Yeah, it's funny to compare a football team to a man who had thousands of of innocent human beings murdered.

And while you say it's just a joke and that you "aren't the type that will throw you in the fire," Indiana is the state where the state's Speaker of the House (at the time -- February of last year), Brian Bosma, told leaders of the Indiana Jewish community that their concerns were irrelevant because Indiana Christians outnumbered them 40-1. And Indianapolis is a city where a recent mayoral candidate, Bob Parker, made openly anti-Semitic comments on the campaign trail. And Indiana has a pretty long history of Klan activity.

So you'll pardon me if I don't think it's funny if you jackasses make jokes about Nazis. You'll forgive me if I'm deeply offended. You'll understand when I hold your behavior up as evidence of your being an idiot. And you'll comprehend why people who make light of the murder of pretty much the entire immdediate and extended family of each of my grandparents piss me off so much.

by RSNexile on Oct 30, 2007 8:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

This is not what Pats Pulpit is all about,
and this is not the type of discussion we should have here.

Stampede Blue is an embarrassment to SB Nation and a general disgrace.

This is nothing new. Anything goes over there. While other sites try to be inclusive communities, Stampede Blue is nothing but a hostile playground for unintelligent bullies.

That site is full of people calling others classless and hypocrites. If anyone has a slightly different opinion from them they are ridiclued.

I thought the site's operator might have some kind of ethics or morality and remove it. He's proven his character (pretty much what I knew already).

But in America, people have voices. If you want your voice to be heard, don't express your disdain here. Go to the SB Nation home page, scroll to the bottom and click on Contact Us.

by scsatr on Oct 30, 2007 9:23 PM EDT   0 recs

We had a perfectly nice
discussion with a Bucs fan before the game against them. Patriots fans come over every once and a while and we disagree but disagreeing isn't ridacule. Unless you are getting the idea from how we interact with Terry. That's different, it goes both ways and he know's it a joke. I usually stay out of stuff like that but I even called him fat.

That page seemed to me as more of a satire on the riduculous hyperbole used about the pats. See my (shake n bake's) commet/link to Eastbrooks over the top rant.

by Shady Brady on Oct 31, 2007 12:13 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You're still missing the point
Satire is one thing, Nazis are another. Is it really that hard to understand that belittling genocide isn't ever funny?

by RSNexile on Oct 31, 2007 12:55 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Satire is a tricky thing...
I tend to think people who make that sort of comparison, (and think it's a funny joke,) are people who don't quite get satire, but may have had it explained.  remember there are some people who still don't get stephen colbert.

the difficulty is when that group starts to try and tell a joke, the results are equally disastrous.

But then, I like Mel Brooks...

on a lighter note, Vinatieri or Gostkowski?(SP?)

by circusboy on Oct 31, 2007 2:12 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

there was not a single genocide reference
on the page. If there would have been I would completely see where you are coming from.

I'm sure the Nazis were used because we can all agree that they were evil. Can't we?

by Shady Brady on Oct 31, 2007 9:21 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Again, that's a pretty weak excuse.
"Nazi" has a very specific meaning, a connotation, and a very specific place in history. An explicit statement of "genocide" is not necessary. Words have meanings, often very specific ones. "Nazi" is not a synonym for "evil"; it's an ideology in which one belief was that a religious group should be wiped from the planet -- much the same that that nitwit in Iran is saying the same thing.

Maybe you have (or some Colts fan has) read George Orwell or some other literary author or maybe even seen a Disney movie that has a personification of "evil" (which, by the way, is a ridiculous thing to imply a team or coach is "evil" because they score a lot of points), so you could make a point, however invalid, about people -- we're talking about common everyday people, I think -- that you literally hate because they're fans of a team. I think it's disgusting.

Personally, I'd rather talk about football.

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by tommasse on Oct 31, 2007 10:38 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Different strokes
I thought it was funny, you don't. It's just preference.

by Shady Brady on Oct 31, 2007 1:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So it doesn't matter, in your opinion ..
.. that Wilfork was blocked into Losman?

Just want to be clear why you consider it "dirty."

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by tommasse on Oct 31, 2007 4:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

no he didnt
He brought his elbow up to stop his fall.  The lineman took his legs out and he weighs over 320 pounds.  That's the only reason his elbow was out.  The call was BS.

by PaulRevere on Oct 31, 2007 5:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That's a matter of opinion
But even Marv Levy of the Bills conceded that he didn't think it was intentional. So, again, it's a pretty weak excuse to call someone "evil" or a "Nazi"
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by tommasse on Oct 31, 2007 5:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry, vapatsfan .. had to delete your comment
This is getting out of hand, and I have to draw a line somewhere. I don't mind debate, but this one just goes a little too far.
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by tommasse on Oct 30, 2007 10:41 PM EDT   0 recs

That's fair
I did get a little carried away on the ex-governor.  And no, he is not a reflection of the whole Indiana community.

by vapatsfan on Oct 31, 2007 9:14 AM EDT   0 recs

Indeed
And that's why I deleted it.

This blog is about the New England Patriots, the NFL, football. This has gotten out of hand, and I am doing my best to stop it, so we can go back to talking about what we're supposed to be talking about.

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by tommasse on Oct 31, 2007 9:55 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Let's all relax
Alright guys, as Tommasse has been saying, let's get back to discussing football.  Check out the diaries section in a bit and I'll have a discussion about our style and position matchups with the Colts.

To all involved parties, sorry that sometimes people don't think before they speak or are simply not capable of deeper thought.  We here in New England are spoiled by the fact that we live in the most affluent and intelligent part of the country.  That is a statistically supported statement but not necessarily a fact as such.  As was also said earlier, taking up the discussion about Nazis is best done on SB Nation.

A final note on the word 'evil'.  I am unsure of what everyone else defines as evil but my working definition would have to be "habitual violation of established moral paradigms local to the violator" (yes, those are my own words).  I really do not see where the Patriots could possibly have fit that definition.

Let's all calm down now.

You da man, gooch.

by PaulRevere on Oct 31, 2007 12:40 PM EDT   0 recs

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