Open Thread: All NFL Games, Week 10

by tommasse on Nov 11, 2007 1:03 PM EST in News Comment 75 comments

Hope you're all settled in. Your New England Patriots are off, so sit back, relax and enjoy today's games.

I might watch more of Minnesota and Green Bay, because I don't think I can listen to Jim Nantz and Phil Simms call Cleveland at Pittsburgh, though that's clearly the game I'd rather watch.

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I didn't see that false start

I switched from the Packers-Vikings game just in time to see Cleveland score a touchdown to make it 13-3. But the play was called back on a false start on Braylon Edwards. The replay didn't show anything.

Now there's a weak makeup unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on Pittsburgh.

So, you see? It's not just terrible officiating in Patriots games. It's just that in Patriots-Colts games, 98 percent of the bad calls go against New England.

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by tommasse on Nov 11, 2007 1:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

regarding the announcers

this is one of the times that it would be worth subscribing to the streaming radio broadcasts. (except for the damn repetitive commercials.)

I'm listening to the dolphin's broadcast now, and it's pretty funny. there's a certain freedom that you have when you are the public voice of a losing team. (god knows I remember when that was the case for us...)

by circusboy on Nov 11, 2007 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That's home field

advantage for ya. But right now Cleveland is winning 14-3 anyways. I really hope they win as I'd like to see some new teams really start to do well (excepting of course the status quo of New England being the hammer of the gods... I don't want that to change).

by PaulRevere on Nov 11, 2007 1:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I'm for cleveland,

rootin' for Romeo and all...

(That and I am not a fan of the steelers...)

by circusboy on Nov 11, 2007 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What about the Bills/Dolphins?

Only Green Bay/Minnesota is on here, but from the stats, the Bills don't look good today. If they lose today, the Pats will clinch the division by beating them next week.

by RSNexile on Nov 11, 2007 1:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I'm sure the braintrust at CBS

determined that no one wanted to see Dolphins-Bills. Too bad there's no online poll for that.

I'd rather see the intra-division game against two teams in my team's division, especially since we are schedule to play them both again. It's good to see Pittsburgh, since New England plays them in a few weeks, but they were just on Monday.

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by tommasse on Nov 11, 2007 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

how do you guys feel about bills-dolphins?

I'm a bit torn, part of me hates to see an "un-victoried" team, but on general principle I can't bring myself to root for the 'phins...

by circusboy on Nov 11, 2007 1:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

One of my best friends...

...is from Niagara Falls, and I've never liked Miami. I have to root for the Bills.

Besides, even if they don't lose this week, the Pats will still clinch the division by beating Philly in week 12.

by RSNexile on Nov 11, 2007 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

well at the moment...

it's a punt/penalty festival.

by circusboy on Nov 11, 2007 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Adrian Peterson

9 carries, 45 yards, 2:26 left in the half, and the Packers have the ball.

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by tommasse on Nov 11, 2007 2:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

VERY interesting replay in Cleveland-Pittsburgh

There was just a video review of what was initially ruled an incomplete pass where Braylon Edwards made a nice catch in the right side of the end zone. The call was overturned, as Edwards did get both feet in bounds.

BUT .. it looked like Edwards may have dragged his right toe out of bounds before he got his left foot down.

Hmmm .. Interesting call. No mention by Nantz or Simms, which is no surprise. We'll see if anyone else catches it.

Also, you can hear LOTS of cursing from these field-level microphones. I guess the league just doesn't care about it anymore.

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by tommasse on Nov 11, 2007 2:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Browns

The Browns are the real deal. What a nice catch Edwards made and a good job by the officials to overturn their initial decision upon review. The cursing is hilarious, by the way. I guess not everyone is up to the pulpit's standard of verbal sanitation.

Also, I hate the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Since I no longer consider there to be a threat to home-field advantage for the Pats (whom I truly believe are going 16-0), I'm rooting for Indy in tonight's game. The Colts are a great team and the referees are not their fault. Manning may be a commercial prostitute, but he's an outstanding quarterback and a class act and he pretty much never has anything negative to say. I think he's a class act, so to speak. The same can not be said of the (tongue in cheek here)'Most talented team in the NFL'. Merriman and LT talk more smack than Mohammed Ali and back it up a heckuva lot less. In other words, I hate San Diego. I never thought I would find myself saying this, but go Colts.

by PaulRevere on Nov 11, 2007 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

bend but don't break?

the browns really seem to have that down, judging by the drive diagrams on the drives, they've managed to let the steelers run long drives against them only to stop them near the goal line each time.

by circusboy on Nov 11, 2007 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

There is no way I will root

for the Colts. I would like to see them lose and finish with the 3rd best AFC record and not receive a first round bye.

by scsatr on Nov 11, 2007 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

LOTS of cursing....

...like from Wes Welker? I still don't understand why nobody got fined for that... you could clearly hear the "F" bomb on national television at 7pm EST.

by Picky on Nov 12, 2007 5:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Why would anyone be fined?

As far as I know, the league doesn't fine for cursing.

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by tommasse on Nov 12, 2007 8:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Fine

Not by the NFL, by the FCC. I thought that whenever there is "blue" language broadcast (inadvertently or not) over the airwaves, the FCC fines the company that is responsible (would that be NBC, NFL, or both in this case)?

Are live sports events exempted from this rule?

http://www.fcc.gov/eb/oip/

Specifically the part that says, "What makes material "profane?" "Profane language" includes those words that are so highly offensive that their mere utterance in the context presented may, in legal terms, amount to a "nuisance." In its Golden Globe Awards Order the FCC warned broadcasters that, depending on the context, it would consider the "F-Word" and those words (or variants thereof) that are as highly offensive as the "F-Word" to be "profane language" that cannot be broadcast between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m. "

by Picky on Nov 12, 2007 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

I thought you meant the league should fine the player(s). I don't believe the person uttering the profanity is fined directly. As far as I know, it's the broadcaster, which would be the network.

It's generally the network who places the parabolic microphones on the sidelines. I would think that the network would be responsible any way you slice it.

Also, when I said the league doesn't care, I also meant that the league apparently doesn't care about the image it's been so visibly been trying to attempt. I would think that the league, if it's truly interested in un-tarnishing that image would be more concerned about audible cursing during broadcasts.

Lastly, I don't think live sporting events are exempt. Remember the "wardrobe malfunction"?

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by tommasse on Nov 12, 2007 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

it kind of depends on the circumstances...

if a person is being filmed, and they swear, that's incidental. ever since bush was caught swearing on an open mic, the rules got a mite greyer.

by circusboy on Nov 12, 2007 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think that has anything to do with it

These aren't remotely similar situations.

President Bush's slip was caught (I think) by a microphone that was inadvertently left on, and was not (again, I think) during a live broadcast.

The networks purposely put those microphones on the sidelines, and they know the kind of language players, coaches and fans use. And the players know they're being taped.

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by tommasse on Nov 12, 2007 11:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

After the "wardrobe incident"...

...at the Super Bowl, the networks are supposed to using a several second delay anyway, so it's their fault if any obscenities are audible on the broadcast, even if it's live.

by RSNexile on Nov 13, 2007 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Cursing...

What did Welker say?

by DaPats on Nov 13, 2007 1:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Something that will not be repeated here

He said something derogatory to a Colts defensive back who was covering him. No context of what might have been said or done before or after.

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by tommasse on Nov 13, 2007 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

it's tough

Back when New England was 1-15 (and I was 4 or 5), I enjoyed watching Marino play so I've got a bit of a soft spot for the 'Phins, but after Shaka Zulu's, errr, Shula's comments, I'm going to have to root for Buffalo. I'm going for them also because I've been to games in Buffalo and they have GREAT fans. They're nuts about their team but not in the psychotic, will shoot you, Philadelphia sort of way. They're good natured and friendly. Go Bills.

by PaulRevere on Nov 11, 2007 2:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Do I see this right? Miami 3, Buffalo 2?

What is it? Bottom of the 5th?

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by tommasse on Nov 11, 2007 2:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

seems to be the week for safeties

denver had one earlier against the chiefs.

by circusboy on Nov 11, 2007 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

sadly no longer,

miami 10, buffalo 2

by circusboy on Nov 11, 2007 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

ha ha ha

laughing over that one.

by PaulRevere on Nov 11, 2007 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Is anyone

else hoping that San Francisco loses out and finished dead last? I have nothing against the '49ers, but I would really appreciate it if they managed to finish last in the league because while the league was gracious enough to steal our first round pick (which will be 32nd overall, most likely) we happen to have swiped San Fran's first round pick which is looking to be in the top 5. Die San Francisco, die.

by PaulRevere on Nov 11, 2007 3:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I think that's fair to say

Well, except the "die SF, die" thing.

Obviously, the worse the Niners do, the better draft pick the Patriots get; so, yeah, I'd be OK with them finishing 2-14.

It's going to be tough for them to finish last, but with Miami leading Buffalo and St. Louis leading New Orleans, it's looking more possible.

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by tommasse on Nov 11, 2007 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

hey quick...

I'm not watching the game, but the score seems a bit lopsided, (and late)... is Green Bay running up the score or is Favre just being "heroic?"

by circusboy on Nov 11, 2007 3:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Hard to say

Fox switched the game from Packers-Vikings to Redskins-Eagles .. which is a "more competitive" game.

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by tommasse on Nov 11, 2007 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

On the other hand

According to the NFL.com play-by-play, Green Bay was up 27, and with less than 6 minutes to play in the game, Favre threw at 17-yard touchdown pass.

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by tommasse on Nov 11, 2007 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm watching it

If Favre were Brady, then yes, it would be "running up the score."

But since he's not, reality can rule: it's more a matter of Minnesota never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity than anything else. And Peterson is hurt, too.

by RSNexile on Nov 11, 2007 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

ha ha ha

Stop Peterson, crush the Vikings. That team should think about changing its name and its color. Somehow I cannot see a 6'8" tall, 350 lb. Scandinavian who can pull a Boeing 747 100 yards in under a minute wearing purple and yellow. Also, until they are not that terrible, they're not fearsome enough to be named after a group of individuals whose very mention inspired panic from the New World to Baghdad. Seriously, a Viking carved his name into the royal palace in Baghdad.

by PaulRevere on Nov 11, 2007 3:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

when was that?

and who was living in the palace at the time?

by circusboy on Nov 11, 2007 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I am uncertain

as to the exact year but I would imagine some time in the 900's since I believe they were frequently raiding in the Middle East during that period. I am also uncertain as to who was ruling as I do not know when exactly it was. I could ask my friend Kabir as he is the one who told me the story.

by PaulRevere on Nov 11, 2007 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If you could...

that would be great, I'd really like to know. It sounds like it would be a neat story.

by circusboy on Nov 11, 2007 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

browns just got 100yd return for TD

which they needed because they let pittsburgh get back into it. according to the record they gave up a 30+ yard scramble for a touchdown to roethlisberger...

by circusboy on Nov 11, 2007 3:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

you know

your run defense is bad when Green Bay's running game breaks 100 yards on you.

by PaulRevere on Nov 11, 2007 3:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Except that

The Vikings were ranked 2nd in rushing defense, allowing only 70 rushing yards per game entering that contest.

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by tommasse on Nov 11, 2007 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

cleveland just blew it

but the bills are ahead with less than a minute to go...

by circusboy on Nov 11, 2007 4:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

hold on...

never mind... penalty on the return...

by circusboy on Nov 11, 2007 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Cleveland misses 52-yard FG to lose

On the final kneeldown, a Browns player charged the line, and there was a lot of pushing on the field as time expired. I wonder if anyone is going to make a big deal about that, or if anyone is going to get fined, like Mike Vrabel did.

Probably not. This stuff happens every week. It's pro football, for crying out loud. Well, except when the Patriots do it, when it's a systematic pattern of bad behavior.

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by tommasse on Nov 11, 2007 4:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Incidentally .. it was a Browns player ..

.. Eric Steinbach who was complaining about Vrabel being a "dirty player." Let's see if he calls out his teammate, or if he's the hypocrite we all figured him to be a month ago.

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by tommasse on Nov 11, 2007 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

what are everyone's picks in the Dallas/NY game?

my internal/eternal dislike of the Cowboys forces me to root for the Giants.

(for the record, my pathological dislike of the cowboys has (at least partially) to do with growing up a fan of the "Patriots" and not understanding how some other team got the title of "America's team" grrrr...)

by circusboy on Nov 11, 2007 4:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

ha ha ha

I used to hate the Cowboys but their team has a new face now. Romo is hilarious and fun because of his enthusiasm. That being said, I think the Giants may just win anyways and I'm impartial as to the outcome. The NFC is pretty much inconsequential because regardless of who comes out, the AFC (pronounced New England [yes, I knock on wood as I type])is going to win the Super bowl.

by PaulRevere on Nov 11, 2007 5:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

there was a point where...

I sort of liked the cowboys, I think it was the routine for the O-line to stand up just before setting, I think Landry said it was an intimidation technique. I admit, I thought that was cool, but it was all down hill from there.

heading out to a bar somewhere to catch the second half and the indy game.

by circusboy on Nov 11, 2007 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Norv Turner is a horrible coach

by scsatr on Nov 11, 2007 9:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Philip Rivers is a terrible QB

The Chargers would have put this game away already if Rivers weren't doing a great Rex Grossman impression. It's 3 minutes into the 2nd quarter, Peyton has four interceptions, and the Chargers are only up 16-0. One of their scores was a punt returned for a TD.

by 6thround on Nov 11, 2007 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Their first 2 TDs were on returns

Chargers returned the opening kickoff for a touchdown and then a Colts punt. San Diego had only 3 points on Manning's first three INTs. They just scored an offensive TD off the 4th.

Do you think Chargers fans are (as I asked in my weekly picks) wishing they had Marty Schotttenheimer and Drew Brees back?

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by tommasse on Nov 11, 2007 9:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Missed that one

I should have assumed that the first score was off a return too. Wow, Rivers really looks terrible. He just fumbled the ball in the end zone, and Indy would have tied it up if they had been able to make the 2-point conversion.
It is raining there, and the apologists will use that as their excuse. I had high hopes for this game, and while the defenses have made some great plays, this has been mostly a comedy of errors so far.

by 6thround on Nov 11, 2007 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ya, this is generally an awful game

That's what you get in these conditions from good weather and dome teams.

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by tommasse on Nov 11, 2007 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Am I seeing that right?

Peyton Manning, the "greatest QB of all time," has thrown four interceptions in 18 minutes?!?

Yes, clearly the quality of a great QB's receivers has nothing to do with the numbers he puts up.

by RSNexile on Nov 11, 2007 9:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Oh, no .. I disagree

I think "we had some problems blocking" and "our special teams put us in a hole" and "something about our idiot, drunken kicker."

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by tommasse on Nov 11, 2007 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

ha ha ha

Yeah, Madden said, "There's no better person to have in this situation than Peyton Manning."

The situation being referred to was the one where your team is down by a wide margin and you need to mount some offense. Sorry John, but I can think of someone better to have in that situation. You've been making excuses all night about poor Manning not having his receivers. Sorry Madden, but shut up. Manning has to get it done. Brady got it done without Marvin Harrison or anyone even as good as the Colts' 4th receiver. Could it be that we are truly seeing the first irrefutable [even by a Colts fan with his head in his sphincter] evidence that Brady is better than Manning?

by PaulRevere on Nov 11, 2007 10:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

that's

pick number five for Manning this evening. This one's ugly.

by PaulRevere on Nov 11, 2007 10:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I think

that Indy has a Patriots hangover. I think San Diego had one too after we pummeled them. I really do think that the Patriots beat a team up physically and psychologically to the point where they have a hard time recovering. This is especially bad for the Colts who are universally undersized.

Whoa, look at L.T running tacklers over. It looks like last year.

by PaulRevere on Nov 11, 2007 10:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I don't know how ..

.. every team the Colts play get called for offensive holding, and the Colts, who hold constantly, never get called.

Chargers running back just got horse-collared, and they didn't call that either.

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by tommasse on Nov 11, 2007 10:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

They don't call the horse-collar on S.D. either

Merriman just horse-collared Addai. No call.

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by tommasse on Nov 11, 2007 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, at least this week...

...the refs' general suckitude extends to both teams.

by RSNexile on Nov 11, 2007 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Not really

Penalties:
San Diego: 9 for 73 yards
Indianapolis: 3 for 17

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by tommasse on Nov 11, 2007 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Philip Rivers

SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS

by PaulRevere on Nov 11, 2007 10:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

He is utterly pathetic

What changed from last year -- besides the coaching staff, who obviously called a ridiculous play inside their own 5 in terrible weather.

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by tommasse on Nov 11, 2007 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

seriously

he is so awful I want to vohmit.

by PaulRevere on Nov 11, 2007 10:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

wow, someone

want to explain to me how the Colts didn't get called for pass interference on that one?

by PaulRevere on Nov 11, 2007 10:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

That was CLEARLY defensive pass interference

Colts are NEVER called for it. What a joke.

It was the same exact thing -- but worse -- that Mike Pereira just explained was why Hobbs was called for defensive pass interference. But the fact of the matter is: That's a penalty against every team, except the Colts. Man, Bill Polian pulls those strings tight.

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by tommasse on Nov 11, 2007 11:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Norv Turner is an awful coach too

Two challenges, both with absolutely zero chance of succeeding. A waste of timeouts. Turner makes Herman Edwards look like a genius.

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by tommasse on Nov 11, 2007 11:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

When Automatic Adam played for the Pats...

...he never would have missed a 29 yarder in a situation like that.

by RSNexile on Nov 11, 2007 11:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I guess ..

.. he's used to playing indoors now.

That's a shame.

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by tommasse on Nov 12, 2007 8:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Colts holding...

...right behind Peyton on that play.

by RSNexile on Nov 11, 2007 11:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

INT #6...

...just after a Chargers pass rusher got tackled from behind right in front of Manning. No flag.

by RSNexile on Nov 11, 2007 11:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

but in the end...

THEY LOST!!!
heh-heh-heh

sorry, just a bit of celebration...

by circusboy on Nov 12, 2007 12:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Can someone please tell me

how in the world Seattle and San Francisco got the Monday night game?!?!?!

by PaulRevere on Nov 12, 2007 12:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

It seemed like a good idea at the time

I think the expectations for both teams were higher when the schedule was made. It's one thing to change a game from 1 p.m. to 8 p.m. on the same day. It's another to change one game from a Monday to a Sunday and another from a Sunday to a Monday.

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by tommasse on Nov 12, 2007 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs