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Signal-Stealing debate rages in court of public opinion

Signal-Stealing Debate Rages
Patriots Coach Belichick Releases Statement

The debate on both sides of the alleged signal-stealing incident involving a New England Patriots employee during Sunday's Patriots 38-14 win in New Jersey against the Jets rages on the airwaves and beside watercoolers.

I say "alleged" because, even though media outlets are reporting the league ruled against New England, the league has made no such announcement; and, in fact, the Patriots may have until Friday to present evidence in their defense.

Earlier today, Patriots head coach Bill Belichick released the following statement:

Earlier this week, I spoke with Commissioner Goodell about a videotaping procedure during last Sunday's game and my interpretation of the rules. At this point, we have not been notified of the league's ruling. Although it remains a league matter, I want to apologize to everyone who has been affected, most of all ownership, staff and players. Following the league's decision, I will have further comment.
Belichick refused any additional comment during is press conference later in the day, and Jets head coach Eric Mangini, a former assistant under Belichick, refrained likewise during his press conference.

But the court of public opinion has been in session for a couple days, and there are plenty of hanging judges out there. But there are many others -- not necessarily Patriots fans -- who say this incident is merely a symptom of a much wider and more common practice.

Star-divide

It's easy to find the outraged righteous, who act as though we just found out New England has been doing something uniquely creative and otherwise unheard -- as though the Patriots have been playing with a technological marked deck. Certainly, their teams are incapable of such heinous, underhanded practices.

I love a comment in one of the other threads of the last few days saying that it's not just Colts fans whose faith in humanity is so shaken by the Patriots brazen actions. A New York writer thinks so too!

Wow. Groundbreaking stuff.

But there have been enough (well, "some," probably not "enough") rational voices out there, ESPN's Sean Salisbury among them, who says any advantage the Patriots gained using the alleged practice is negligible. More than that, if teams aren't using video cameras to steal signals, they're employing other methods.

Heck, a guy with a pair of binoculars and a mini-cassette tape recorder can accomplish the same thing inconspicuously. I sat around a table with three other guys who are not NFL players or coaches and we came up with about a dozen ideas to accomplish the same task while staying "within the rules" (as much as we may or may not know them).

Opinions of People Who Know

Many ex-players and coaches I've heard are not surprised by the allegations. Accusations of "information mining" of all kinds have plagued the league for decades, going back to people breaking into opponents' hotel rooms to steal playbooks. This is nothing new.

The same people say that most teams -- those that seem to be a little smarter than apparently some others -- constantly change their signals and codes to make it more difficult to parties attempting to steal them. But if no one else is stealing them, if the Patriots are the only ones guilty, why go to such lengths to protect those "secrets"?

And that's just the beginning of the breakdown of the witch hunters' reprobations.

For all the doe-eyed innocence they try to project, no one is so naive to believe that no other team employs and and every method -- with which it thinks it can get away -- to gain an advantage. But this is a very convenient time to take cheap shots -- not that these sweet, little lambs are capable of such things -- at the one team that's been beating the snot out of them for six years. Well, that team and its head coach against whom you have a vendetta.

I have yet to hear any kind of rational explanation of how this practice delivers any kind of significant edge -- or why this method is against the rules (and so shockingly hideous) while there are so many other obvious ways to do the same job.

Think about it. You have 25 seconds to to snap the ball. How many adjustments can you make in 25 seconds with everything else that's going on? It's not at though guys like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning can't read defenses, as quarterbacks have done for generations. Anyone who wants to allege that Brady makes a lot of adjustments at the line, calling blocking assignments and recognizing coverages can't ignore other quarterbacks who do the same.

What Gained at What Cost?

Ya. The Patriots got caught. I understand that. That's no reason to blindly accept -- or allege -- that it's not happening otherwise.

I've heard a lot of uninformed commentators exhorting how much videotapes could impact future contests between the teams involved. But if we recount the allegations last year made by Green Bay and Detroit, who made a similar claim the Jets make now, the Patriots don't play either of those teams through at least 2009. When are they going to use the information on these videotapes? What other use are they? Sell them on eBay to other teams?

And what of the tape(s) from Sunday's game? What did the Patriots gain then?

Here are things in the Patriots domination of the Jets that signal-stealing certainly did not impact:

  • Ellis Hobbs' 108-yard kickoff return
  • 5 defensive sacks
  • Brady-to-Moss 51-yard touchdown into triple coverage
Or really anything in the game at all, because the video camera was confiscated in the first quarter before any of the information captured could have been reviewed or made useful. Which would be nothing.

Which means the Patriots beat the Jets, and badly, fair and square.

The whole episode just an excuse for other teams to get as serious a punishment inflicted on a superior opponent and for fans of other teams to take their cheap shots. Another excuse why the Patriots are better than their teams.

Excuses on Both Sides

If the Patriots win the Super Bowl this year, or at least go deep into the playoffs, after being punished, I guarantee the whiners will still have a never-ending list of excuses and complaints while they continue to act shocked, holier-than-thou, "my squeaky clean team is not capable of such atrocities!"

But, unlike the way they pronounce judgment now before all the facts are known, I'll wait until February to draw real conclusions.

You know what? Ultimately, the rules are the rules. Someone, whether it was Bill Belichick or someone else on the staff, broke one of them. More correctly, someone was caught breaking one. And someone, whether it's Belichick or the entire team, will be punished and rightfully so.

Let me repeat that, because a lot of recent visitors seem to have a problem reading anything but the "homerism": THE PATRIOTS WILL BE PUNISHED, AND RIGHTFULLY SO.

But make no mistake. They will be punished, and rightfully so, not because they are the only ones who broke the rules. They will be punished, and rightfully so, because they are they only ones who have been caught breaking the rules.

So just a friendly reminder for those of you calling for unreasonably severe punishments: Your team may be next. And the second offender usually gets a much stiffer sentence. So be careful what you wish for.

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Incidentally, I've been unable to decide what I think is a reasonable punishment, because I don't know if Roger Goodell will punish Belichick (if Goodell believes Belichick is ultimately responsible) or the franchise (if he decides some other level of management is responsible).

If Goodell holds Belichick personally culpable, I just don't know. A suspension of a game, even two, seems reasonable. If Goodell penalizes the team, I would expect penalizing New England a 3rd-round pick in 2008 and a 3rd-round pick in 2009. Both punishments, I believe, are more severe than anything Paul Tagliabue would have handed down.

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I'm not one calling for any heads
I want to see the process play out as it should - in the league office.

Now - the reason that this would be more disturbing than trying to steal calls through legitimate means (I don't think binoculars are legitimate because I think you have to use the naked eye, but I'm not sure) is not that the Patriots would necessarily get a huge edge by stealing calls this way. It's that rule-breakers tend to be rule-breakers.

If a guy is busted for drunk driving, that doesn't make it more likely that his buddy is also a drunk driver. It means that it's more likely that HE has driven drunk multiple times. In this case, the Patriots are probably not the only rule breakers. However, it is likely that they break the rules more often than most because they get caught more often than most. The sad part is that by breaking rules like this (if they did) that probably don't yield a huge advantage, they are risking their credibility with all of the rules.

We agree on the outcome - the process should play out according to the league rules and the punishment should be according to those rules. If I were a Patriots fan, I would be concerned for my team and not lashing out at other teams. It's understandable because some folks out there are just over the top on this. But the best thing a Patriots fan could do for their team right now is make it clear that they need to clean up their house - image and reality. I wouldn't be surprised that if Belichick was behind this (which I'm dubious of) if Kraft didn't punish Belichick himself.

Other team fans should take note of your warning, because you are right that their overblown rhetoric will reflect back on them when someone from their team is caught doing something.

by SteveW on Sep 12, 2007 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Minor flaws in your argument
There's a first time for everything. A drunk driver drives drunk once before he does it again. Assuming a drunk driver has done so multiple times is unjust.

The Patriots get caught more often does not necessarily imply that they break rules more often. It may mean they are being watched more closely, especially considering a lot of people "have it out for them." Losers seek nothing more than to bring winners down to their level; so any infraction -- however blatant or insignificant, and no matter whether the reporting party engages in similar practices -- is going to be called out. Other people call it "profiling."

No one complains if/when Detroit breaks rules because no one really cares. The only teams who have complained about New England are teams who have been beaten, some rather badly. Other teams have been accused, but they don't get the 24-hour media beatings, because they're not New England.

That said, I agree getting caught damages the Patriots credibility, but that's being naive again. Another team will be caught, and don't be surprised if New England is less inclined to maintain the alleged "code of silence" that has now been broken.

I'm going to wait until Friday, or whenever the league makes its announcement, and the Patriots response. After that, there are games Sunday, and we can worry about playing football again.

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by tommasse on Sep 13, 2007 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree about the Lions
I care. You care. Goodell would care. Maybe even their opponents would care. But no one is scrutinizing them.

And "someone else will be caught" is not minimizing what the Patriots are accused of. It's a warning to everyone piling on now that when another team gets caught, the penalties will be more severe, so be careful what you wish for.

As I said right in the beginning, there's a lot of debate on both sides. So you can drop all the names you want and how they all agree. I can do the same thing. You can get 50 percent of the people to vote for Coke and 50 percent for Pepsi. If you quote all the Pepsi people, that doesn't make Pepsi better.

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by tommasse on Sep 13, 2007 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

You missed my point
Perhaps because I could have said it more clearly.

Above you indicated that the Pats are not the only ones doing it. I'm merely pointing out that the fact that the Pats were caught (again - if that is what happened here) is better evidence that the Pats have done it before than that anyone else has done it.

Of course the system should treat this as only one violation (if any). I just think accusing other teams is silly, without evidence.

by SteveW on Sep 13, 2007 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jumping to conclusions, like everyone else
I'm very happy that you have access to all the evidence in this case and are able to make the broad sweeping judgments that I discussed in this post. Clearly, you've taken both sides into account.

Since you have all the evidence, please inform the rest of us: What was the defense the Patriots presented to the commissioner?

Oh. I see. You don't have that. So you don't really know what the crime is. But you've determined the punishment. I see how you're being much more fair.

I also like how you say the Patriots should have to forfeit any game in which they've been proven to have cheated, but you don't recommend the same justice for any other team, including the Raiders.

But, heavens, no. The Raiders have never cheated. Yes, yes. I see your point now.

I'm just curious. You imply that New England should be forfeiting more games than just Sunday's. You ask if anyone else has lost a close game to New England. What other evidence are you withholding?

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by tommasse on Sep 13, 2007 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

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